Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS Released

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS Released

Ubuntu 8.04 was released nearly a year ago with Ubuntu 8.04.1 arriving a few months later. Now this afternoon as part of Canonical's commitment to offering Long-Term Support to the Hardy Heron we have Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS. Found in Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS are over 200 security fixes and other bug updates The Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS release announcement can be read on the Ubuntu mailing list...

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[bulletxt]

I was thinking that a 6 release cycle is a waste of man power, also the result is that something like 60% of ubuntu users format every 6-7 months. Didn't we format every 5 months because Windows always scrued up? This aint progress, also dont tell me that its not needed to format. Don't even mention the update system.

Probably Ubuntu should come out once a year or even better once every 2 years. In the following 24 months, once in a while major packages get updated includind kernel, external drivers, desktop manager and some of the most important softwares most people use.

This 6 month cycle is just meant to waste money, man power, make people format and so on. Not to mention that each release fixes 10 bugs and creates 4 new ones. thats just an example number of course.

[miles]

bulletxt, that's really good arguments. You should just advocate the idea to Fedora, Open Suse, Mandriva, Ubuntu and about a hundred other distros, it's such a shame they overlooked these points.

Debian is doing a really good job if you want 2 years+ stable releases. It would be neither nice nor useful for Ubuntu to do the same. And if you want to wait longer between releases, there's XP.

[drelyn86]

I'm a little confused... is this just a new up-to-date iso with all the updates (the equivalent of an MS service pack)?.. can I get the same security and bug fixes by doing the regular system update? or am i really going to have to reformat if I want to benefit from this?

[DanL]

Don't even mention the update system.
It's worked well for me a few times. My current Intrepid install has been upgraded from Feisty, and I can't trace any issues to the upgrading.

If you don't dig the 6-month release, then try a distro with a rolling release model (Sidux, Arch Linux, Gentoo, etc.)

[BlackStar]

I'm a little confused... is this just a new up-to-date iso with all the updates (the equivalent of an MS service pack)?.. can I get the same security and bug fixes by doing the regular system update? or am i really going to have to reformat if I want to benefit from this?
Yes, yes and no.

Debian is doing a really good job if you want 2 years+ stable releases. It would be neither nice nor useful for Ubuntu to do the same. And if you want to wait longer between releases, there's XP.
Or, if you don't want to ever wait for updates and/or reformat every n months, just use Archlinux ;)

[Zhick]

Rolling Releases FTW.
Btw: Imho with Debian an upgrade is pretty painless. For example etch -> lenny/sid : Change etch to lenny/sid in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and it's done.
Why would this be different for Ubuntu?

[Vadi]

It's not, people like making up stuff for no reason. That's why others call them "trolls".

Only diff in Ubuntu is that there is a button that you can press to upgrade.

[mdmadph]

It's worked well for me a few times. My current Intrepid install has been upgraded from Feisty, and I can't trace any issues to the upgrading.

If you don't dig the 6-month release, then try a distro with a rolling release model (Sidux, Arch Linux, Gentoo, etc.)

You were lucky -- I upgrade over time from 7.10 to 8.04 and then to 8.10, and my system was a bloody mess. :P

Just reformatted completely to 8.04 and called it quits. I'll be fine for the next two years.

[MaestroMaus]

I was thinking that a 6 release cycle is a waste of man power, also the result is that something like 60% of ubuntu users format every 6-7 months. Didn't we format every 5 months because Windows always scrued up? This aint progress, also dont tell me that its not needed to format. Don't even mention the update system.

Probably Ubuntu should come out once a year or even better once every 2 years. In the following 24 months, once in a while major packages get updated includind kernel, external drivers, desktop manager and some of the most important softwares most people use.

This 6 month cycle is just meant to waste money, man power, make people format and so on. Not to mention that each release fixes 10 bugs and creates 4 new ones. thats just an example number of course.

Your hole point is invalid since Ubuntu has two release cycles, as mentioned before in this thread: LTS and normal releases.

You get two years of support on the LTS so you can use that one if you don't like the 6 month release cycle, either by using it two years and then getting a new one, or getting a new one once a year since the LTS version comes out once a year.

[srg_13]

I was thinking that a 6 release cycle is a waste of man power, also the result is that something like 60% of ubuntu users format every 6-7 months. Didn't we format every 5 months because Windows always scrued up? This aint progress, also dont tell me that its not needed to format. Don't even mention the update system.

Who reformats their computer every time a new release comes out? I've found that you only really need to do a clean install every three to five versions. They've even made a new tool to search for any unused packages that apt misses when it cleans up after an upgrade... Most of the time it's fine to just hit the 'Update Distribution" button in the update manager and follow the prompts.

Probably Ubuntu should come out once a year or even better once every 2 years. In the following 24 months, once in a while major packages get updated includind kernel, external drivers, desktop manager and some of the most important softwares most people use.

What do you count as 'coming out' then? Really, a new version of Ubuntu at the moment isn't much more than new versions of all the software, with a few alphas and betas to make sure that they all work together...

[miles]

You get two years of support on the LTS so you can use that one if you don't like the 6 month release cycle, either by using it two years and then getting a new one, or getting a new one once a year since the LTS version comes out once a year.
LTS is 3 years of support on the desktop (5 years for servers), so you basically only have to upgrade every 3 years if you want.

Normal releases are supported 18 month, hardly the 6 month the troll was talking about.

[bulletxt]

ok, it seems you guys live in your world and still don't understand why Windows is and will allways be OS number 1 and there are people that just like it.

Continue with your stupid points, but now go and tell your grandmother she can't use skype on Dapper because it doesn't have ALSA 1.0.11, QT4 and she has to upgrade a hole Operating system just for SKYPE! doh? .
You silly guys you try to defend what obviously can't be defended.

Now I cant stand this anymore, it's obvious that to use skype your grandmother must update a hole OS. Oh, and she also has to pray everything goes fine... or else..............

bye bye.

[curaga]

Does skype work on windows 98? Exactly. The users of it would need a complete OS update just to use skype.

Similar with recent Zonealarm. And X. And Y.

[bulletxt]

I've heard a lot of BS in my life, but you are challenging to be on the top 10 with that sentance.

[dungeon]

bulletxt, tell your grandmother to use static version of skype. With that version she will not need to update anything on she's 25 months old Dapper:p.

No offense!

[bulletxt]

does the static version include libasound2 1.0.12 or it's static because it has QT4 built-in? if it doesn't have libasound2 1.0.12 (and I'm sure it doesnt), it wont work on dapper, so your grandmother will be upset ::D

Of course skype was just an example... I could make other 200 at least:)

[dungeon]

Oh yes, but you can always backport that alsa version, make deb and send it to your grandmother:p.

P.S. Oh yes, that is even 30 months old if i count right so, it is really time for upgrade.

[miles]

Continue with your stupid points, but now go and tell your grandmother she can't use skype on Dapper because it doesn't have ALSA 1.0.11, QT4 and she has to upgrade a hole Operating system just for SKYPE!
My mom is still on Dapper, since she's got no reason to upgrade, and skype is working perfectly (and has been working perfectly for the last 2 years), including audio. I didn't even have to spend one second maintaining her system for all this time, when she couldn't keep an XP install working for more than 2 weeks (and she uses XP at work).

Now I cant stand this anymore, it's obvious that to use skype your grandmother must update a hole OS. Oh, and she also has to pray everything goes fine... or else..............

bye bye.
Please, indulge yourself. Pretty please.

[bulletxt]

ok it seems you aren't getting my point. that skype thing was just an example. do you want a generic example?

software X depends on XYZ library > 2.1.1, but you have installed XYZ 2.0.1. Now go and tell your grandm to update XYZ to 2.1.1 from sources.

Is this a better example? if you don't understand this, it means you don't want to accept reality.

[miles]

ok it seems you aren't getting my point. that skype thing was just an example. do you want a generic example?

software X depends on XYZ library > 2.1.1, but you have installed XYZ 2.0.1. Now go and tell your grandm to update XYZ to 2.1.1 from sources.

Is this a better example? if you don't understand this, it means you don't want to accept reality.
Well, it seems you don't get my point either, and i can tell you XP wasn't "just an example".

And actually if I want her to update from source it's not hard at all, I either provide her with a script, backport the library "prevu that_funy_library", or build the package in a chroot for her (pbuilder-dapper-i386 build that_funy_library-XubuntuX.dsc", assuming I/she can't wait. Else I just request a backport and let people do the job for me.

Basically, you'll always find a situation where X OS is "problematic", especially if you don't know the OS enough. Complaining about it when there's easy solutions and/or you could be helping solving the problem is hardly useful. Hoping that such an attitude is going to miraculously improve the situation only gets you stuck in an ages-old prejudice when other have moved on already.

The way it is, that's basically a non issue, and any package you think can't be installed because of foo library may already be packaged for your system on getdeb, medubuntu or any other click-and-work solution.