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jstokes
02-07-2009, 01:57 PM
has there been any testing or benchmarking of AMD new Phenom II 920 or 940 with Linux? I'm planning to build a new system in the next couple of weeks with a 970GX Motherboard Phenom II 920 or 940 ,4Gb Ram, a HD4850, and Ubuntu 8.10 I'm not sure if I'm going to do 64 bit or not, and have been looking for benchmarks to help with my decision. Also has there been any testing of ATI catalysis 9.10 with a system like this.
Well an Intel E6600 + Nvidia 8800 GTS 512 beats that config with Linux games like nexuiz *g*
http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-14926-3248-8692
deanjo
02-07-2009, 03:48 PM
Well an Intel E6600 + Nvidia 8800 GTS 512 beats that config with Linux games like nexuiz *g*
http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-14926-3248-8692
That's more due to video card then processor.
RealNC
02-07-2009, 04:00 PM
CPU is good. Graphics card is not.
Kano's statement is based on a benchmark I made which had lower results due to a fglrx bug I ran into (very high CPU usage during the test due to EDID & modeline request spamming by the driver, causing short freezes every few seconds).
I've got a Phenom II X4 940 on a 790GX/SB750 based motherboard (MSI DKA790GX) with a HD 4850 and like my system :)
deanjo
02-07-2009, 04:22 PM
Kano's statement is based on a benchmark I made which had lower results due to a fglrx bug I ran into (very high CPU usage during the test due to EDID & modeline request spamming by the driver, causing short freezes every few seconds).
I've got a Phenom II X4 940 on a 790GX/SB750 based motherboard (MSI DKA790GX) with a HD 4850 and like my system :)
Well it's still your video card that is holding you back. You proc is not your bottleneck. Compare your latest run:
http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=d2kx-17745-27234-5490
vs a system with more graphics horsepower with a 9850 OC'd to 3 Ghz running at a higher res.
http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=deanjo-22376-32355-7283
You can see that it's not the proc holding you back.
Well a benchmark with 1680x1050 would be better, not everybody has a 1920x1200 to bench against.
deanjo
02-07-2009, 05:02 PM
Well a benchmark with 1680x1050 would be better, not everybody has a 1920x1200 to bench against.
Happy now? http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=deanjo-15123-30010-25949
Well I still think that your system has a timer issue as your hd benchmarks are too high compared to others too. A 8800 GTS 512 is usually faster than a 8800 GT or did you use SLI? nexuiz runs only on one core basically so quad would not gain anything - you could test that with max_cpu=2 kernel option.
deanjo
02-08-2009, 12:36 AM
Well I still think that your system has a timer issue as your hd benchmarks are too high compared to others too. A 8800 GTS 512 is usually faster than a 8800 GT or did you use SLI? nexuiz runs only on one core basically so quad would not gain anything - you could test that with max_cpu=2 kernel option.
My system is SLI (running afr), thus why I said the CPU is not the bottleneck and on a system with more graphics power gains are had, if the cpu was a bottleneck there would be no gain in SLI mode.
jstokes
02-08-2009, 12:50 AM
wow.. thanks for all the quick posts, this system will be a gaming/Graphics workstation. As I'm a part time web page developer at my work place. so part of the time will it will be used to finish work that i did not get done at the office, my game of choice lately is ioUrbanTerror, and Spore on my wifes windows machine (I plan on running it on wine with the new system). there is one other reason for this system as I am the head system build at my work place and we do not have a quad core in the systems we build, I want to use my system to show the heads, that a very strong quad system can be built with a budget our main customers (banks, and local governments) can afford.
Agian thanks for the posts and as soon as I have my system built I'll post my bench marks.
and d2kx that system is almost exacly what I want to build. and if your happy with it. I'm sure I will be too. GO DRAGON!
If you want to use wine keep far away from ATI gfx cards...
deanjo
02-08-2009, 03:29 AM
Ya when it comes to wine, nvidia is the only real choice right now.
jstokes
02-08-2009, 06:55 PM
hopefully ati will fix the drivers in the near future to run wine better.but Spore is just one game and I can live with out it.
a better solution to the wine problem is EA and Blizzard need to start porting games to linux :) (it will never happen but we can hope)
thanks for pointing that fax out.. I have always ran Nvida cards on past systems nut the price and performance of the HD4XXX cards a good.
The price is interesting, but that's all. Just don't blame anybody that nobody told you before when you run into troubles.
RealNC
02-08-2009, 07:05 PM
hopefully ati will fix the drivers in the near future to run wine better.
And who will fix Wine to run better on non-NVidia cards? Currently, the only things missing from Wine is the "NVidia: The Way It's Meant To Be Played" logo.
My recommendation for a very awesome system at a very affordable price would be:
*) CPU: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 along with Gigabyte EP45-DS3L mobo,
*) GPU: NVidia 9800GT (possibly EVGA dual slot).
Reasons: Intel Core2Duo E8400 is 45nm low voltage with stock speed of 3.0GHz and highly overclockable to upto 4.0 - 4.4GHz. Price of about 150 USD or so is reasonable. Might require a good cooler like a Zalman copper. This motherboard at about 100 USD is also affordable and full featured along with quite some overclocking potential. Stock FSB is 1333MHz I guess and can be OC'ed to 1600. Together with fast cheap DDR2 1200+ should be a good combo.
Nvidia 9800GT sells at about 100USD and can run through most demanding games at decent quality (I am happy with either 1280x720 high details or 1920x1080 medium details :)).
As an aside, I recently got a ASUS G50VT-X6 notebook from Newegg ~1300USD. It has the Penryn P8700 @ 2.53 GHz (which can be OC'ed to 3GHz in Windows) and Nvidia 9800M GS. It is a killer. It actually deserves a review in Phoronix :D! (On windows, I can play GRID at 1680x1050 high details smoothly, On linux, Doom3 gives ~100fps at 1680x1050.) So above mentioned system should be very sufficient.
PS : It would be nice to have DDR3 for both the bandwidth and lower power consumption. But pretty expensive at the moment, especially good ones with low latency. So I guess DDR2 should do good.
RealNC
02-08-2009, 07:34 PM
I can play GRID at 1680x1050 high details smoothly
Grid runs much better on ATI though. *Much* better. It's one of the few exceptions though where ATI wins.
LydianKnight
02-08-2009, 08:40 PM
an even more affordable setup (it's my current one):
- AMD Phenom X4 9350e (no OC, just stock settings -> 65W/2GHz)
- NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT (a ZOTAC one, in my case, the cheapest I could find here in Spain)
On Windows Vista (yes, I know, it $ucks) I can run the vast majority of games with all maxed settings and antialiasing at a very smooth framerate.
On Linux, I don't still know, I'm still in the process of re-bootstrapping my x64 pure CLFS build against the latest kernel (mainly to get rid of any quirks in glibc, --with-kernel=current FTW)
Pair that setup with a 500GB hard disk and toss a good optical drive (mine's a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD CD/DVD rewriter combo) and you can have a very good system ^_^
(I'm just stuck at trying to know where the hell am I going to get the GLU headers from :S)
jeffro-tull
02-08-2009, 09:13 PM
hopefully ati will fix the drivers in the near future...
Do you have any idea how long everyone's been saying that? I never had an fglrx release that was "just right" - either one thing was busted, or it was another. When one problem got fixed, another one popped up.
If it were me, I'd stick with the Phenom but throw in a GeForce 8 or 9 series card (substitute "Phenom" with "Athlon X2", and that actually IS what I'm doing). Maybe in a few months (when X developers have had their way with the sample code and hardware specifications) spring for an R600/700 and go with xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-radeonhd.
Qaridarium
02-09-2009, 02:28 AM
And who will fix Wine to run better on non-NVidia cards? Currently, the only things missing from Wine is the "NVidia: The Way It's Meant To Be Played" logo.
thats not true.
i watch wine on ati carts over more than a year now.
they fix ati problems.... and makes thinks better..
but.. yes ATI carts lags support...
DX7 game works well (testet OFP and 3dmark2000 and 2001)
DX8 games works well to 3dmark03 works well only litle problems grafic errors in 1-2 scenes.. i also test chuhulu dark corner of the erd.
DX9b works well to--- 3dmark03...
DX9c do not work.... becourse Opengl2.1 do not have extansions for this..
wine uses nvidia only extansions for dx9C....
but now opengl3 is there.. and wine starts to fix that with opengl3 exstanions..
and so one.. for now nvidia wins.... in the future ATI will work to..
Qaridarium
02-09-2009, 02:30 AM
The price is interesting, but that's all. Just don't blame anybody that nobody told you before when you run into troubles.
i play on ATI in wine.. all up to DX9B shader2.. works well..
yes most importand games are DX9C shader3... i know..
Qaridarium
02-09-2009, 02:36 AM
Do you have any idea how long everyone's been saying that? I never had an fglrx release that was "just right" - either one thing was busted, or it was another. When one problem got fixed, another one popped up.
If it were me, I'd stick with the Phenom but throw in a GeForce 8 or 9 series card (substitute "Phenom" with "Athlon X2", and that actually IS what I'm doing). Maybe in a few months (when X developers have had their way with the sample code and hardware specifications) spring for an R600/700 and go with xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-radeonhd.
in 8.4 they chance code base YES PROBLEMS.....
in 9.2 they fixet the most of the problems..
catalyst 9.3 works well on my system right now....
what is your problem ?
i think the overall godlikefix for the catalyst will be the radeonhd driver :-)
jonnycat26
02-10-2009, 02:46 PM
catalyst 9.3 works well on my system right now....
what is your problem ?
The problem is, as I see it, nobody has 9.3 yet, let alone 9.2. So nobody can verify your claims that 9.3 fixes everything or that it fixes anything.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for one, I find it annoying as hell that you talk about releases that aren't out and that you shouldn't have, and I really don't trust your assertations that they fix the problems that everyone seems to have with the drivers.
I guess that's my problem. :)
Qaridarium
02-11-2009, 02:30 PM
The problem is, as I see it, nobody has 9.3 yet, let alone 9.2. So nobody can verify your claims that 9.3 fixes everything or that it fixes anything.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for one, I find it annoying as hell that you talk about releases that aren't out and that you shouldn't have, and I really don't trust your assertations that they fix the problems that everyone seems to have with the drivers.
I guess that's my problem. :)
o yes... for me its work gread.
in 9-2 composit+vx works.
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