AMD solve the Wine Problem with Cat/Fglrx 9-4alpfa

[Qaridarium]

AMD solve the Wine Problem with Cat/Fglrx 9-4alpfa

I test this on Cat/Fglrx 9-4 8.60rc1 and Wine 1.1.16 with the benchmark Aquamark3

Aquamark looks super nice with the 9-4 much much much better than with the Catalyst 9-2.

there are still some errors like this :

"fixme:d3d_shader:print_glsl_info_log Error received from GLSL shader #177: "Fragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \nWARNING: 0:2
: extension 'GL_ARB_draw_buffers' is not supported "
fixme:d3d_shader:print_glsl_info_log Error received from GLSL shader #180: "Fragment sha
: extension 'GL_ARB_draw_buffers' is not supported ""

But tis is Pointless becourse its looks soo Great!

http://ug4.kwick.de/ug/0152/6669/69126308_full,r,470x470.jpg

[questioneer]

so where did you get the cat 9.4 alpha?

want!

[Qaridarium]

so where did you get the cat 9.4 alpha?
want!

you always find was you search.

the driver is leaket but i can't give you a link sorry.

[kraftman]

so where did you get the cat 9.4 alpha?

want!

you always find was you search.

the driver is leaket but i can't give you a link sorry.

It looks someone doesn't play fair and he's not so smart... All those lamenting and flaming people in 'AMD, I want super drivers now' threads, you sound like a children and nvidia or windows fanboys... AMD did great favor for us, because they released documentation. I won't even look at nvidia and their binary blobs.

[Qaridarium]

It looks someone doesn't play fair and he's not so smart... All those lamenting and flaming people in 'AMD, I want super drivers now' threads, you sound like a children and nvidia or windows fanboys... AMD did great favor for us, because they released documentation. I won't even look at nvidia and their binary blobs.

o Yes i'm not so smart becourse my english is not so Good or in other text its Worst :-)

why sould i use 9-2 catalyst if the cat 9-4 alpfa works better ?

why sould i use the opensource driver if i need OpenGL3 and WINE support ?

in fakt the Opensource driver has OpenGL1,5 and will habe 2,1 but for wine this is not Good Entrue!

for wine you need OpenGL3 !

3dmark03 on 9-4alpfa-wine1.1.16

http://ug4.kwick.de/ug/0152/6669/69233948_full,r,470x470.jpg

[kraftman]

o Yes i'm not so smart becourse my english is not so Good or in other text its Worst :-)

I thought about someone who 'leaked' 9.4 alpha driver.

[Qaridarium]

I thought about someone who 'leaked' 9.4 alpha driver.

I Don'T know... but it is nice! :-)

AND YES ALEX4 Runs WELL TO very FAST!

http://ug4.kwick.de/ug/0152/6669/69257414_full,r,470x470.jpg

[tball]

@Qaridarium

Not I want to find the 9.4 alpha driver ;-), but what's the filename of the fglrx driver exactly?

[RealNC]

It's good that the Wine problem is fixed, but what about the Linux problem? :P

[tball]

I also wonder. Is there a 'THE wine problem'? Isn't there more than one problem? Like an incomplete open-GL stack (compared to nvidia and what wine wants) etc.

[Qaridarium]

@Qaridarium

Not I want to find the 9.4 alpha driver ;-), but what's the filename of the fglrx driver exactly?

ati-driver-installer-8.60_RC1-x86.x86_64.run

[Qaridarium]

I also wonder. Is there a 'THE wine problem'? Isn't there more than one problem? Like an incomplete open-GL stack (compared to nvidia and what wine wants) etc.

AMD fixed the Driver problem... not WINE can make the next step and write new code for the AMD Carts!

in the past wine can't support fglrx becourse of bugs.. now they can up to the next bug they found...

[BlackStar]

That, or Nvidia-specific codepaths written by the Wine developers, or Nvidia drivers not following the OpenGL specs (GLSL-over-Cg compiler, I'm looking at you!)

Not that I'm defending Amd's OpenGL drivers (I've been bitten by enough bugs that it hurts), but the amount of badly written, Nvidia-only code out there is staggering. About half of the GLSL tutorials out there call *Cg* functions for $deity's sake! Not talking about obscure blogs and things like that, either, there tutorials exist in high-profile OpenGL-centric sites. Bah, I say.

[Qaridarium]

It's good that the Wine problem is fixed, but what about the Linux problem? :P

the Opensource driver fix the linux problem...

but opengl1,4 and in futhure opengl 2.1 is not the winning part i think on wine you can'T win any cup with the opensource driver in the next 1 or 2 Years!

[Qaridarium]

That, or Nvidia-specific codepaths written by the Wine developers, or Nvidia drivers not following the OpenGL specs (GLSL-over-Cg compiler, I'm looking at you!)

Not that I'm defending Amd's OpenGL drivers (I've been bitten by enough bugs that it hurts), but the amount of badly written, Nvidia-only code out there is staggering. About half of the GLSL tutorials out there call *Cg* functions for $deity's sake! Not talking about obscure blogs and things like that, either, there tutorials exist in high-profile OpenGL-centric sites. Bah, I say.

Thats not true the WINE DEVs has AMD/ATI codepaths to!

but in the past the ATI codepaths hang on DX8 and the DX9 lag on bug's in the fglrx!

i can make Pictures with old 8.10 catalyst and 9.1/9.2 catalyst and 9.4 catalyst...

and you will see not all is going right with the same wine 1.1.16!

OpenGL3 on the 9.1 driver brings a Boost in colorfull ans speed but the rendering is to dark becourse some textures not have the right gamma...

in 9.4 you can see the wine app in 99% near to the windows nativ app.

[Melcar]

That, or Nvidia-specific codepaths written by the Wine developers, or Nvidia drivers not following the OpenGL specs (GLSL-over-Cg compiler, I'm looking at you!)

Not that I'm defending Amd's OpenGL drivers (I've been bitten by enough bugs that it hurts), but the amount of badly written, Nvidia-only code out there is staggering. About half of the GLSL tutorials out there call *Cg* functions for $deity's sake! Not talking about obscure blogs and things like that, either, there tutorials exist in high-profile OpenGL-centric sites. Bah, I say.


True. However, as AMD hardware becomes more popular and accessible in Linux, all this will inevitably change. Of course, if you ask me the desired thing to do would be to code around open source drivers instead of the blobs, but that's the FOSS fanatic in me talking :D.

[BlackStar]

True. However, as AMD hardware becomes more popular and accessible in Linux, all this will inevitably change. Of course, if you ask me the desired thing to do would be to code around open source drivers instead of the blobs, but that's the FOSS fanatic in me talking .
Yep and that's good. The problem with designing code around the FOSS drivers is that, right now, you have to give up about 8 years of advancements in graphics. Even though I hate writing blob-specific code, the alternative is no GLSL, no FBOs, no PBOs - it's just not feasible! (especially so in Wine)

Granted, I'm talking from the perspective of high-end graphics. If all you want to do is write a 2d game or a bzflag clone, I guess it's fine (not great, but iyou can make it work).

[lordmozilla]

I'm lost here, if there are beta 9.4 drivers why aren't they out in the wild and posted here?

Why are you not sharing these drivers?

[hpestilence]

The driver hasn't been leaked, unless it's on the backwoods of the internet (irc, newsgroups, etc). Nothing he posted is really news to me since on the bug report AMD said they found the problem and it normally takes 2-3 months for fixes to go in the driver. I'm content to wait for the official release since I only use wine to play games and I can patch wine to workaround the issue.

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17437

[questioneer]

Ok ok. the Catalyst 9.4 RC1 sure looks real...

[hpestilence]

I think he gets the betas directly from a beta tester it probably is real.

[Melcar]

I'm lost here, if there are beta 9.4 drivers why aren't they out in the wild and posted here?

Why are you not sharing these drivers?


Because the betas are distributed under NDAs. People are not supposed to "pass them around", and Phoronix being the big ATI fansite it is, I doubt it will condone such a thing.

[Nille]

Because the betas are distributed under NDAs. People are not supposed to "pass them around", and Phoronix being the big ATI fansite it is, I doubt it will condone such a thing.

Right and the most NDAs say also ist not allowed to talk about it

[Melcar]

Yep and that's good. The problem with designing code around the FOSS drivers is that, right now, you have to give up about 8 years of advancements in graphics. Even though I hate writing blob-specific code, the alternative is no GLSL, no FBOs, no PBOs - it's just not feasible! (especially so in Wine)

Granted, I'm talking from the perspective of high-end graphics. If all you want to do is write a 2d game or a bzflag clone, I guess it's fine (not great, but iyou can make it work).

But once the memory managers and the new driver interfaces hit the streets there will be little reason to use the blobs if you're a desktop user (well, maybe if you got nvidia :p). All I'm saying is that the end goal should be to start developing with the open source drivers in mind as a priority.

[RealNC]

Usually someone leaks them on the "dark" places. IRC and Usenet for example. Google doesn't find them, you have to know where to look. But it's nothing to go crazy about. If you find them, the result is simply a disappointment that comes earlier than if you had waited for the final version :D

[questioneer]

with 9.4 videoproblems with compiz are gone
gtkperf delivers much better results
quakewars runs smoother

(thats compared to 9.2)

9.4 is no disappointment at all :)

[tball]

with 9.4 videoproblems with compiz are gone
gtkperf delivers much better results
quakewars runs smoother

(thats compared to 9.2)

9.4 is no disappointment at all :)

Sounds good. I can't wait. I got "some" problems with 9.2.
Check your PM ;-)

[Game_boy]

So the first driver with the fix is also the first driver that my X1950 PRO isn't supported in? Thanks AMD.

[tball]

OMG, this 9.4 RC1 driver is awesome. KDE 4.2 resizing is fixed! Its very very fast, no latency at all and with composition on.

XV video with compositing also works very smooth now. I don't got misplaced video output or anything odd. I don't even get crashes when playing a video in fullscreen??? :O

Is this really the driver version we have waited so long for? Is this really THE driver without disappointments?

Everyone waiting for this driver to be released really has something to be excited over.

<<If this is something I should not be talking about, feel free to delete my post. I don't know how phoronix / ati takes thiese discussions.>>

EDIT:
Actually resizing with compositing seems a lot faster than without composition :P That said, resizing isn't slow without compositing, don't worry.

[korpenkraxar]

OMG, this 9.4 RC1 driver is awesome. KDE 4.2 resizing is fixed! Its very very fast, no latency at all and with composition on.

XV video with compositing also works very smooth now. I don't got misplaced video output or anything odd. I don't even get crashes when playing a video in fullscreen??? :O

Is this really the driver version we have waited so long for? Is this really THE driver without disappointments?

Everyone waiting for this driver to be released really has something to be excited over.

<<If this is something I should not be talking about, feel free to delete my post. I don't know how phoronix / ati takes thiese discussions.>>

EDIT:
Actually resizing with compositing seems a lot faster than without composition :P That said, resizing isn't slow without resizing, don't worry.

I guess you have not signed an NDA anyway so you are probably free to blab on. That said, how does suspend/resume, --set-powerstate and multiple screens work? The 2.6.29 linux kernel?

[kraftman]

Actually resizing with compositing seems a lot faster than without composition :P That said, resizing isn't slow without resizing, don't worry.

It looks they found magic fix for slow resizing - do it without resizing ;)

[korpenkraxar]

So the first driver with the fix is also the first driver that my X1950 PRO isn't supported in? Thanks AMD.

LOL! My thought as well with my X1400 laptop chip. Well we can always find some comfort in that what 9.4 giveth, 9.5 taketh away.

[tball]

I guess you have not signed an NDA anyway so you are probably free to blab on. That said, how does suspend/resume, --set-powerstate and multiple screens work? The 2.6.29 linux kernel?

I haven't signed a NDA :)

suspend = works / resume = doesn't. But i don't know if it is gfx driver related.

I don't got any multiple screens to try it on :-) But what version of opengl does 9.2 states? I mean when you run fglrxinfo?

[tball]

It looks they found magic fix for slow resizing - do it without resizing ;)

Haha:D Changed now. Thx

[Vighy]

So the first driver with the fix is also the first driver that my X1950 PRO isn't supported in? Thanks AMD.

Life gives, Life takes.

[Boerkel]

I tried this one, but if i watch a (non hd) video with xv and compiz on then xorg eats up all the cpu even if it's only windowed. If compiz is switched off it's nearly perfect: very low cpu usage, but sadly there is tearing as well...

[hades]

So great news for ati 9-4 rc1 .
If I want test this great work ,can some dear baby PM me how and where I can get it ?

so thanks .:):D

[agentsim]

me too, I'd love to have a go with this

[Qaridarium]

So the first driver with the fix is also the first driver that my X1950 PRO isn't supported in? Thanks AMD.

the driver with the fix is the 9-3 catalyst... there is a beta to!

but·.. why not use the Opensource driver in the future ?

or buy a new cart ? for wine you need OpenGL3 ! X1950 only supports DX9!

[Qaridarium]

Usually someone leaks them on the "dark" places. IRC and Usenet for example. Google doesn't find them, you have to know where to look. But it's nothing to go crazy about. If you find them, the result is simply a disappointment that comes earlier than if you had waited for the final version :D

uuuhhh Dark places ??? Like www.microsoft.com ?

or nvidia.com ?

[Qaridarium]

with 9.4 videoproblems with compiz are gone
gtkperf delivers much better results
quakewars runs smoother

(thats compared to 9.2)

9.4 is no disappointment at all :)

uuuhh nice... the driver is much much much better as i use the driver,,,

i only use kde3,5 and no compisite ...

so i sould put the shit on :)

[Qaridarium]

OMG, this 9.4 RC1 driver is awesome. KDE 4.2 resizing is fixed! Its very very fast, no latency at all and with composition on.
XV video with compositing also works very smooth now. I don't got misplaced video output or anything odd. I don't even get crashes when playing a video in fullscreen??? :O
Is this really the driver version we have waited so long for? Is this really THE driver without disappointments?
Everyone waiting for this driver to be released really has something to be excited over.
<<If this is something I should not be talking about, feel free to delete my post. I don't know how phoronix / ati takes thiese discussions.>>
EDIT:
Actually resizing with compositing seems a lot faster than without composition :P That said, resizing isn't slow without compositing, don't worry.

Be Happy AMD Rocks da House :)

and yes if you saying 9-2 is bad thats legal.. if you say 9-4 is "OMG, this 9.4 RC1 driver is awesome." thats agains the LAW !!!

LOL ..

I love AMD :-) and i do this agains the LAW !

[Qaridarium]

LOL! My thought as well with my X1400 laptop chip. Well we can always find some comfort in that what 9.4 giveth, 9.5 taketh away.

Be happy !!! BEEE HABBY nice Opensource driver's will come :-)

and for wine buy a new cart OpenGL3 is needet!

[hades]

It can not work for me :
I use RHEL 5.3 server ,kernel 2.6.27.18 ,
with VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] on my Dell inspiron 6000
ati-9.2 works fine .but when I install this rc1, fail for me


[Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[Message] Kernel Module : Found kernel module build environment, generating kernel module now.
AMD kernel module generator version 2.1
doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher
rm -rf *.c *.h *.o *.ko *.GCC* .??* *.symvers
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.27.18/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.27.18'
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_SetPageCache’:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1205: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘set_memory_wb’ makes integer from pointer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1209: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘set_memory_uc’ makes integer from pointer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_SetPageCache_Array’:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1236: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘KCL_SetPageCache’ makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_MEM_VM_GetRegionPhysAddrStr’:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3269: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3270: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3271: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3273: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_agp.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_debug.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_ioctl.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_io.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_pci.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_str.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_wait.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST 1 modules
CC /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.mod.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.ko
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.27.18'
build succeeded with return value 0
duplicating results into driver repository...
done.
You must change your working directory to /lib/modules/fglrx
and then call ./make_install.sh in order to install the built module.
- recreating module dependency list
- trying a sample load of the kernel modules
failed.
[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to install compiled kernel module - please consult readme



I try use ./make_install.sh ,show out:
- recreating module dependency list
- trying a sample load of the kernel modules
failed

error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.27.18/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko) cannot allocate memory

how do it ?

[Qaridarium]

It can not work for me :
I use RHEL 5.3 server ,kernel 2.6.27.18 ,
with VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] on my Dell inspiron 6000
ati-9.2 works fine .but when I install this rc1, fail for me


[Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[Message] Kernel Module : Found kernel module build environment, generating kernel module now.
AMD kernel module generator version 2.1
doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher
rm -rf *.c *.h *.o *.ko *.GCC* .??* *.symvers
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.27.18/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.27.18'
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_SetPageCache’:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1205: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘set_memory_wb’ makes integer from pointer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1209: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘set_memory_uc’ makes integer from pointer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_SetPageCache_Array’:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1236: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘KCL_SetPageCache’ makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_MEM_VM_GetRegionPhysAddrStr’:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3269: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3270: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3271: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3273: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_agp.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_debug.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_ioctl.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_io.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_pci.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_str.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_wait.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST 1 modules
CC /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.mod.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.ko
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.27.18'
build succeeded with return value 0
duplicating results into driver repository...
done.
You must change your working directory to /lib/modules/fglrx
and then call ./make_install.sh in order to install the built module.
- recreating module dependency list
- trying a sample load of the kernel modules
failed.
[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to install compiled kernel module - please consult readme



I try use ./make_install.sh ,show out:
- recreating module dependency list
- trying a sample load of the kernel modules
failed

error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.27.18/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko) cannot allocate memory

how do it ?

"Mobility Radeon X300"

this cart is not supportet sorry.

the R300 parts still in the driver but its pointsless to hack this.

install the 9-2 or 9-3 !

[hades]

"Mobility Radeon X300"

this cart is not supportet sorry.

the R300 parts still in the driver but its pointsless to hack this.

install the 9-2 or 9-3 !


5555555555555555555555555


I will give up this notebook . ahha

[Qaridarium]

5555555555555555555555555


I will give up this notebook . ahha

9-3 will work fine i think...but yes this old notebook is for VESA or Radeon not for the Catalyst!

[tball]

@Qaridarium

Hmm does your Quakewars run without problems? Everything is black for me ingame, and some buttons are hidden in the game menu before you hover the mouse over them. When you have hovered your mouse over them, they become visible. Its not every button though.
Nexuiz works fine. Penumbra works fine. World of goo works fine. Everyone with compositing.
Savage 2 have the same problem as Quakewars -> Everything is black. But if you shoot with something like a rocket, you can actually see the landscape with the glow of the rocket :P But hmm, lets hope the release will fix this.

Another problem I have come by, is that if I maximize (not fullscreen) a HD video, the movie becomes very laggy. But I'll survive. Anyway I always look at a movie in fullscreen or in a very little window.

[Qaridarium]

@Qaridarium

Hmm does your Quakewars run without problems? Everything is black for me ingame, and some buttons are hidden in the game menu before you hover the mouse over them. When you have hovered your mouse over them, they become visible. Its not every button though.
Nexuiz works fine. Penumbra works fine. World of goo works fine. Everyone with compositing.
Savage 2 have the same problem as Quakewars -> Everything is black. But if you shoot with something like a rocket, you can actually see the landscape with the glow of the rocket :P But hmm, lets hope the release will fix this.

Another problem I have come by, is that if I maximize (not fullscreen) a HD video, the movie becomes very laggy. But I'll survive. Anyway I always look at a movie in fullscreen or in a very little window.

look thats an alpfa version ... not all perfekt yet yes but a nice taste of the future...

Nexuiz stats here fine to... Sauerbraten does start to.
world of goo demo works fine her too ! (very nice game)

viedeo in my part 9-4alpfa works gread playing a dvd shots the 9-2 final down.... 9-4 works stable for me.

sorry i can'T see any lag becource Quatcore CPU system...

my system works rock-stable with the 9-4alpfa with the 9-2 stable driver it crashes hartly...

[korpenkraxar]

Be happy !!! BEEE HABBY nice Opensource driver's will come :-)

and for wine buy a new cart OpenGL3 is needet!

You sir, are very very funny and a fresh change from the usual whining (self included) at this forum.

[tball]

look thats an alpfa version ... not all perfekt yet yes but a nice taste of the future...

Nexuiz stats here fine to... Sauerbraten does start to.
world of goo demo works fine her too ! (very nice game)

viedeo in my part 9-4alpfa works gread playing a dvd shots the 9-2 final down.... 9-4 works stable for me.

sorry i can'T see any lag becource Quatcore CPU system...

my system works rock-stable with the 9-4alpfa with the 9-2 stable driver it crashes hartly...

But what about Quakewars? You said it ran smooth, so it must work for you?

[hades]

9-3 will work fine i think...but yes this old notebook is for VESA or Radeon not for the Catalyst!


9-3? it is out ?where can get it ?

[Qaridarium]

You sir, are very very funny and a fresh change from the usual whining (self included) at this forum.

Thank you Very Very Much!

in fakt AMD is very very BAD BAD Angry abaut my Action here... :-(

[Qaridarium]

But what about Quakewars? You said it ran smooth, so it must work for you?

i do not say this.. i don't have test QWET right now..

if you wan'T i can test the demo.

[Qaridarium]

9-3? it is out ?where can get it ?

no 9-3 not not out right now...

[questioneer]

i said im running quakewars with 9.4 , and its fine. it runs smoother, and no texture failures.

(btw do you have catalyst ai turned OFF ? thats a soure of many problemes in quakewars)

[tball]

i said im running quakewars with 9.4 , and its fine. it runs smoother, and no texture failures.

(btw do you have catalyst ai turned OFF ? thats a soure of many problemes in quakewars)

Just tried with and without AI. Can't see a thing ingame :P Well. Ill wait for the release.

[Qaridarium]

Just tried with and without AI. Can't see a thing ingame :P Well. Ill wait for the release.

can you please post your hartware and os ?

if there is an error you can give amd a chance to fix this befor release!

[nadro]

Be happy !!! BEEE HABBY nice Opensource driver's will come :-)

and for wine buy a new cart OpenGL3 is needet!

LOL, for all DirectX 9 apps on Wine, OpenGL 3.0 isn't required. OpenGL 3.0 is required only if we look on DirectX 10 apps.

[Qaridarium]

LOL, for all DirectX 9 apps on Wine, OpenGL 3.0 isn't required. OpenGL 3.0 is required only if we look on DirectX 10 apps.

no! on an nvidia you can use OpenGL2.1+nvidia-only-extansions to put DX9C into WINE! ...

the OpenGL2.1 in the Catalyst has no nvidia extansons!

in fakt Pure OpenGL2.1 is only DX9b!!!! shader2 not shader3! and the windows programs use nvidia only extansions like dinamic-wather in DX9c!

X1950 can NOT render dynamic-Wather! (hd2000-hd3000-hd3000 can render dynamic Wather)

so pure-OpenGL2.1=DX9b (not c )

OpenGL2.1+nvidia-extanions=DX9C!

With OpenGL3 in the Catalyst you can have DX9C+DX10+Dynamic-Wather in WINE!

[Bitmasker]

Any idea if pixel buffer support has been added? - it's been a request for the linux driver for quite a while. I'd love to do some 'informal' testing of the alpha, but apparently my search_fu is weak this morning.

Would happily test if a -> could be pm'd ;)

[udobroemme]

Sorry for this being my first post but could someone enlighten me via PM where to find these glorious drivers?
Thanks in advance.

[tball]

can you please post your hartware and os ?

if there is an error you can give amd a chance to fix this befor release!

Hardware:
AMD HD3650 mobility

Software:
Kubuntu 8.10.

There is no error messages.

[Qaridarium]

Hardware:
AMD HD3650 mobility

Software:
Kubuntu 8.10.

There is no error messages.

please post /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log

and the /etc/X11/xorg.conf

[zxcvb771]

What is the xorg-server 1.6 support status of this driver?

[udobroemme]

As far as I have seen, there is no server 1.6 support right now

[agentsim]

OMG, this 9.4 RC1 driver is awesome. KDE 4.2 resizing is fixed! Its very very fast, no latency at all and with composition on.

XV video with compositing also works very smooth now. I don't got misplaced video output or anything odd. I don't even get crashes when playing a video in fullscreen??? :O

EDIT:
Actually resizing with compositing seems a lot faster than without composition :P That said, resizing isn't slow without compositing, don't worry.

Care to share your xorg.conf?
I'm running KDE 4.2 with/without compositing and window resizing is still very slow. I've tried all the combinations of Kwin effects to no avail.

My xorg.conf settings are non-existant, I only set the Driver to fglrx.

Also, when you run fglrxinfo, is the OpenGL version 3.x or 2.1? Mine still says 2.1.

[energyman]

you people who installed it - can you post the md5sum of the installer? just to make sure that I don't download crap ;)

[nadro]

no! on an nvidia you can use OpenGL2.1+nvidia-only-extansions to put DX9C into WINE! ...

the OpenGL2.1 in the Catalyst has no nvidia extansons!

in fakt Pure OpenGL2.1 is only DX9b!!!! shader2 not shader3! and the windows programs use nvidia only extansions like dinamic-wather in DX9c!

X1950 can NOT render dynamic-Wather! (hd2000-hd3000-hd3000 can render dynamic Wather)

so pure-OpenGL2.1=DX9b (not c )

OpenGL2.1+nvidia-extanions=DX9C!

With OpenGL3 in the Catalyst you can have DX9C+DX10+Dynamic-Wather in WINE!

No, it isn't true :) OpenGL 2.1 is compatible with DirectX 9.0c (I know because I use this two standards and all works ok). I don't look on Wine code, but if they use NV extansion this is Wine team fault, with multi vendor extension all DirectX 9.0c features all avaiable on graphic cards with OpenGL 2.1 support (so SM 3.0 also).

[stancil]

I'm really interested in this driver. I've searched the web already with no success.

Could someone give me a hint via pm?

[Kurko]

Fix this driver desktop tearing with compiz?
could somebody send PM me where I can found this driver? :)

[livuxman]

I have a lot of problems with my ati 4850.
Compiz problems, wine, crash when restart a session in kde4, sometimes not initialize correctly, etc..

If the 9.4 version really fixes some problems, I really need that version.
My patience is about to die, and I don't like to change to nvidia.

Can someone pm how to try that version?
Thanks

[questioneer]

you people who installed it - can you post the md5sum of the installer? just to make sure that I don't download crap ;)

0fe4c5cd08923c1af2f0a7a328e6afbc ati-driver-installer-8.60_RC1-x86.x86_64.run

[energyman]

thanks - now I need a download link ;)

[Qaridarium]

What is the xorg-server 1.6 support status of this driver?

i not supportet right yet but i think the final 9-4 has xserver 1,6 support!

[Qaridarium]

Care to share your xorg.conf?
I'm running KDE 4.2 with/without compositing and window resizing is still very slow. I've tried all the combinations of Kwin effects to no avail.

My xorg.conf settings are non-existant, I only set the Driver to fglrx.

Also, when you run fglrxinfo, is the OpenGL version 3.x or 2.1? Mine still says 2.1.

this is my xorg.conf:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "aticonfig Layout"
Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "Module"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
Driver "fglrx"
BusID "PCI:5:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
Device "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
Monitor "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection

[Qaridarium]

No, it isn't true :) OpenGL 2.1 is compatible with DirectX 9.0c (I know because I use this two standards and all works ok). I don't look on Wine code, but if they use NV extansion this is Wine team fault, with multi vendor extension all DirectX 9.0c features all avaiable on graphic cards with OpenGL 2.1 support (so SM 3.0 also).

the point is a X1950 can't handel DX9C+Nvidia-extansion on WINDOWS!

so the X1950 with OpenGL2.1 on linux can't handel DX9C+nvidia-extansions on WINE!

and WINE is an spezial part of software ! WINE use OpenGL3 right now in the RADEON Code Padh!

[RealNC]

Please use less exclamation marks :D

[Qaridarium]

Please use less exclamation marks :D

o man.. i'm angry abaut the people they think the old X1950 can do everythink...

a frend sell his X1900 becource no dynamic-wather in WINDOWS.

and the people think X1900 can do verythink in linux LOL.

[RealNC]

My X1950XT was working very fine with Windows. All games ran as intended, including full Shader Model 3.0 support.

[Qaridarium]

My X1950XT was working very fine with Windows. All games ran as intended, including full Shader Model 3.0 support.

And waht is the dynamic-wather nvidia only exstansion ?

do this run to ?

my hd4350 can render the dynamic-wather extansion!

and yes we are not talking abaut windows we are talking abaut wine..

wine can NOT render direktX9C-shader3 on an X1950!

[RealNC]

This sounds like it's Wine's problem. Most people don't want to update their card because of a shitty program :-/

And yes, Wine *is* a shitty program.

[poofyyoda]

yep, I can definitely confirm that it fixes some wine problems. CNC3 doesn't slow down anymore, kudos to AMD developers keep up the great work!

Theres still shader corruptions, though but any progress makes me happy. :)

[Qaridarium]

This sounds like it's Wine's problem. Most people don't want to update their card because of a shitty program :-/

And yes, Wine *is* a shitty program.

Geometrical Dynamic Wather :

http://www.behardware.com/medias/photos_news/00/16/IMG0016347.jpg

try this with your X1900!!!!!

http://www.behardware.com/art/imprimer/616/


"With the Radeon X1000, ATI missed a function that was apparently required to support Vertex Shader 3.0,[...]
How is it possible for ATI to support Vertex Shader 3.0 without vertex texturing? It’s apparently a trick, or to be more accurate, the exploitation of a loophole in DirectX 9 specifications. Vertex texturing support seems to come from the support of vertex shader 3.0 and there are no specifically devoted caps that indicate its support or absence. A GPU manufacturer, however, has to specify which level of filtering is supported in the vertex shader (point sampling, bilinear filtering, anisotropic filtering etc.) to support the vertex shader 3.0. Then for each texture format, it must be indicated if it’s usable in vertex shaders. And this is where the loophole is. Microsoft forgot to make at least one of the formats obligatory. In other words, ATI tells DirectX to support vertex texturing in point sampling but doesn’t authorize it on any texture format. It’s rather subtle, but enough to pass all DirectX specifications and not support vertex texturing in practice while obtaining Vertex Shader 3.0 certification."


Sauerbraten can handel this to on modern Carts

no Wine in Sauerbraten!




Edit: YES wine is a shity programm becourse wine puts the shit (windows) into linux

[Qaridarium]

yep, I can definitely confirm that it fixes some wine problems. CNC3 doesn't slow down anymore, kudos to AMD developers keep up the great work!

Theres still shader corruptions, though but any progress makes me happy. :)

:-) nice!

9-4 is not in the end status there will come more fixes i think!

but you sould know not all bugs are Catalyst bugs many bugs are wine bugs to!

[tball]

please post /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log

and the /etc/X11/xorg.conf

xorg.conf:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
Driver "fglrx"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "Configured Video Device"
Monitor "Configured Monitor"
DefaultDepth 24
EndSection


My fglrx-install.log:
Hmm I can't find it anywhere. Even with locate it doesn find it.

sudo updatedb
locate fglrx-install.log


Thank you so much for your help :-)

[energyman]

since there are no seeders - how many of you killed the torrent as soon as they got the file? that is not nice ...

[Qaridarium]

since there are no seeders - how many of you killed the torrent as soon as they got the file? that is not nice ...

there is no seeder the torrend is a fake!

[energyman]

good to know - so.. where did you 'get it'?

[Qaridarium]

xorg.conf:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
Driver "fglrx"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "Configured Video Device"
Monitor "Configured Monitor"
DefaultDepth 24
EndSection


My fglrx-install.log:
Hmm I can't find it anywhere. Even with locate it doesn find it.

sudo updatedb
locate fglrx-install.log


Thank you so much for your help :-)

you can try a "aticonfig --initial"

and you can try to replace your xorg.config like this :


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "aticonfig Layout"
Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "Module"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
Driver "fglrx"
BusID "PCI:5:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
Device "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
Monitor "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection

[Qaridarium]

good to know - so.. where did you 'get it'?

I think you are a fake to!

bist du paranoid oder was ist loss ?

[energyman]

wtf? I only want to know where you got that file. You know - when I found a link to the 9.2-preview I didn't just brag about it - I posted the link.

[Qaridarium]

wtf? I only want to know where you got that file. You know - when I found a link to the 9.2-preview I didn't just brag about it - I posted the link.

the orginal link is death! rippet! down !

there is no more orginal link!

i think if you want the orginal file.--- there is no orginal file!

go to AMD and sighn a NDA and get the Orginal file!

in the DARK-Net only the signature cracket files out there right now.

[energyman]

there are enough upload services out there. But bragging about a driver nobody else can get is pretty low.

[Qaridarium]

there are enough upload services out there. But bragging about a driver nobody else can get is pretty low.

o yes.. i have a real option for you wait for the release !

or believe in Good WILL!

[h5n1]

heh, good idea ;)

[Qaridarium]

heh, good idea ;)

i think no one can stop this fucking good driver right now again.

@google is the secont torrend with seeders!

[dungeon]

What a thread, why phoronix admins allow this? When someone violate NDA license, it is equal when someone tried to violate GPL.
And yes it is so obvious here who share alfa driver;).

[Qaridarium]

What a thread, why phoronix admins allow this? When someone violate NDA license, it is equal when someone tried to violate GPL.
And yes it is so obvious here who share alfa driver;).

realy ? they can'T stop this Good driver!

they can't!

[linzerd]

This is just ridiculous... The admins must do something about it... AMD fanboyism is way of charts with this guy...