Gallium3D-Capable Mesa 7.5 Release This Week!

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Gallium3D-Capable Mesa 7.5 Release This Week!

It was just three months ago that Mesa 7.3 was released and then work on stabilizing this graphics stack to form Mesa 7.4 began. When the development began on Mesa 7.5, the Gallium3D architecture was merged to master...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzE4OQ

[bugmenot]

All that work into developing Mesa/Gallium for basically nothing .. NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses) support it so all that good work goes to waste.

[crumja]

Let's not feed the troll.

Anyways, I'm quite excited for this release. Gallium3D is probably the one element missing for moving ATI and Intel OSS drivers to performance parity. I wonder if Ubuntu will have it for the fall release? Fedora definitely will.

[russell_h]

NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses)

I wouldn't say that... At least with any ATI card unless you're willing to sacrifice video playback for 3d (I'm trying to think of a Linux app I use that has 3d..?) then you're running open source drivers. If you have Intel you're running open source drivers. And the Nouveau drivers are progressing to the point where even nvidia users won't be left out in the cold much longer.

Plus, is there any reason the closed source drivers can't switch to this eventually?

On a completely different topic, what is the status of the Gallium 3d Cell driver? A PS3 would make a great MythTV frontend if someone can get a stable driver with video acceleration.

[FunkyRider]

So what use a HD 4890 has, if you can only use it to watch movie? Spending $400 bucks for what even an integrated graphics could do? You are spending money to buy a fantasy, and maybe that's people would do anyway.

[Eragon]

So what use a HD 4890 has, if you can only use it to watch movie? Spending $400 bucks for what even an integrated graphics could do? You are spending money to buy a fantasy, and maybe that's people would do anyway.

So, you just go and buy a GeForce GTX 295, which you can use for gaming + watching movies with hardware acceleration, thanx to nvidia's drivers.

Yes, they are closed source. I don't give a fuck. They work.

[russell_h]

So what use a HD 4890 has, if you can only use it to watch movie? Spending $400 bucks for what even an integrated graphics could do? You are spending money to buy a fantasy, and maybe that's people would do anyway.

Er, no, I watch movies on an HD 4850 then reboot to Windows where I can play better games anyway.

[bridgman]

All that work into developing Mesa/Gallium for basically nothing .. NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses) support it so all that good work goes to waste.

I don't think exposing Gallium3D as a general purpose API is as important as being able to build all the different acceleration APIs which *are* exposed by binary drivers on a common, solid foundation.

Most of the discussion around Gallium3D API is related to using it for things like compute, 2D and video acceleration, ie functions "inside" a binary driver package

[Zajec]

Interesting, I expected to see 7.5 little later but with interesting stuff. If 7.5 will come so soon, I guess we have to wait for 7.7 to see radeon-rewrite merged and new openchrome 3D stack.

What about some special gift like r6xx/r7xx 3D driver for 7.7? ;)

[FunkyRider]

Er, no, I watch movies on an HD 4850 then reboot to Windows where I can play better games anyway.

I dumped my 4850 2 weeks ago because even watching a movie in Linux is a painful experience.

Want resize the video window? You might have to try again / 3-2 times if it gives you a pure white window.

Full screen video locks up your system when play to the end? You might have to press the little button named "RESET" on your case.

Why are running people in the movie been split into two halves? That's anti V-Sync in effect and they are not interested to get it fixed.


In conclusion, even trying to enjoy a movie is not possible using fglrx.

I might be able to just pop back my X850XT and use Overlay video output so at least it V-Syncs right. :(

[remm]

Interesting, I expected to see 7.5 little later but with interesting stuff. If 7.5 will come so soon, I guess we have to wait for 7.7 to see radeon-rewrite merged and new openchrome 3D stack.

What about some special gift like r6xx/r7xx 3D driver for 7.7? ;)

Yes, most likely they want to branch ASAP before merging the new modules. That's a good plan.

[szczerb]

All that work into developing Mesa/Gallium for basically nothing .. NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses) support it so all that good work goes to waste.I don't give a crap about binary drivers - happy intel user. You don't like it? Better start coding the features you want or go use something else.

[Hasenpfote]

I dumped my 4850 2 weeks ago because even watching a movie in Linux is a painful experience.
I installed Ubuntu Jaunty beta and it is quite nice.

Well, its not perfect (maximizing HD videos or Firefox takes some time with compiz activated), but at least no flickering or tearing or split movies.

My card is a 3870.

I can say after 1,5 years of owning the card, I see light at the end of the tunnel! And it seems it is not a train! :-)

[Svartalf]

Yes, they are closed source. I don't give a fuck. They work.

The people that own GeForce 4XXX devices used to say the same thing.

Funny...they care about FOSS drivers quite a bit now. ;)

[MùPùF]

Re: [Mesa3d-dev] Mesa 7.5 plans
From: Brian Paul <brianp@vm...> - 2009-04-10 22:22
It looks I'll be postponing the 7.5 release until next week...

-Brian


Hope they will ship r300-gallium with it ! It was postponed but, as the release will happen next week, hope it will be OK for inclusion.

[Zajec]

Hope they will ship r300-gallium with it ! It was postponed but, as the release will happen next week, hope it will be OK for inclusion.r300-gallium is already in master (that will become 7.5).

[MùPùF]

r300-gallium is already in master (that will become 7.5).

It is not what is said there : http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=49DBEC08.7070704%40vmware.co m&forum_name=mesa3d-dev

Nevertheless, I'm really looking forward for it. As soon as mesa 7.5 is released, I'll try the radeon-rewrite branch !

[bridgman]

As of last night MostAwesomeDude was giving thought (on #radeon) to leaving the r300 gallium code in now that the code is in better shape.

[MùPùF]

As of last night MostAwesomeDude was giving thought (on #radeon) to leaving the r300 gallium code in now that the code is in better shape.

Super ! I want to help on radeon-rewrite as I have an Xpress 200M IGP which doesn't seem to be used that much.
Hope everything will be fine :)

[curaga]

For using the old-style Mesa drivers, should one use 7.5 or 7.4.1? Considering 7.4 had the transparency bug, are there reasons on why use either release that fixes it?

[MùPùF]

For using the old-style Mesa drivers, should one use 7.5 or 7.4.1? Considering 7.4 had the transparency bug, are there reasons on why use either release that fixes it?

Why do you want to use the old ones ?
I'm currently running mesa-git, and it is working great !
I just get less FPS on glxgears but videos are taking less CPU to be played.
Everything else is just the same, that's great !

Btw, do I need to update my driver to take advantage of gallium3D ? I don't think so but I would like a confirmation as everything runs fine.

[wirechief]

I am currently testing Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty and when it upgraded 7.3 mesa
to 7.4 mesa my PC was freezeing, the fix was to downgrade back to 7.3
I am skeptical that 7.5 are going to fix this issue with intel945since they
only recently discovered that it was causing freezes with my Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[Bug 359392] Re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/359392
So far my Lenovo R61e has not freezed with 7.3 mesa, I am continuing
to monitor its performance.

[Mr. Anderson]

Any news here? When looking on www.mesa3d.org, I still see 7.4 as the latest release. What is going on?

[szczerb]

Seems like the usuall Xorg slippery schedule ;] I learned to be patient.

[bridgman]

Brian announced a week or so that he was going to delay 7.5 for a bit. Dave suggested that the release should be held off until rendering to front buffer under DRI2 was working, which would hopefully avoid having to deal with DRI2 API changes in the future.

MostAwesomeDude also took advantage of the delay to have r3xx-5xx Gallium3D code included, although not by default.

Here is the relevent thread : http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=49DBEC08.7070704%40vmware.co m&forum_name=mesa3d-dev

[szczerb]

Then this seems to be a good, usefull delay :)