Please The Chef With Linux & Phoronix

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Phoronix: Please Your Wife With Phoronix, Really

If your wife has been upset with how much time you spend on our forums, that you subscribe to Phoronix Premium, or that you always occupy her computer by running the Phoronix Test Suite on it, fear no more! Just send her over to the newest web property that's managed by Phoronix Media, Foodstruments. Foodstruments is a portmanteau for "Food Instruments" and this is a site that features cooking gadget reviews, inexpensive cooking tools, and other products for the home and kitchen...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzM4MQ

[Med_]

Sorry but i find this article a tad bit sexist. I know many men more interested in cooking than in linux and a certain amount of women more interested in linux than in cooking. Besides at home, chores should be shared, i do not see why cooking stuff should only be given to women.

[The_Monkey_King]

Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam.

Wonderful Spam!

[L33F3R]

Sorry by i find this article a tad bit sexist. I know many men more interested in cooking than in linux and a certain amount of women more interested in linux than in cooking. Besides at home, chores should be shared, i do not see why cooking stuff should only be given to women.

i agree 104%

I am a man. I am a fit, sexy, man. And i like to cook.

[Zhick]

Sorry by i find this article a tad bit sexist.
Yeah I thought the same thing at first, but I'd say it was completely unintentional and merely resulted because they tried to come up with a witty title.

@topic: Uhm... yay? :P

[[Knuckles]]

It's weird to see a phoronix-style review with "food" hardware, heh :)

[mendieta]

Sorry by i find this article a tad bit sexist. I know many men more interested in cooking than in linux and a certain amount of women more interested in linux than in cooking. Besides at home, chores should be shared, i do not see why cooking stuff should only be given to women.

I totally agree with everything you just said. I do almost _all_ the cooking at home, and yes, I am a male, and yes, I am usually tired for cooking, like most people. I was shocked when I saw the article. Hopefully we won't be seeing more of this. Oh well.

[Mr_Alien_Overlord]

This is April 1'st, isn't it?.... Right?


Anyway, looking forward to seeing the Phoronix Test Suite scores for my brand of kitchen scales, versus the large hadron collider.

PS I'm Brad Pitt and I do all my cooking at home (with a large hadron collider)

[superppl]

This isn't necessarily sexist....
Perhaps we can impress our wives/girlfriends/otherwise cute girl by cooking up something that looks, smells, and tastes great.
Women really appreciate special moments, even if it doesn't seem to mean much to men (and I think all of us have been in that awful position where we disregarded a "special" moment...).

[d2kx]

This discussion is as ridiciulous as the one about one of the last RMS speeches with the "virgin of emacs". Do you really think either person (Michael, RMS) were trying to discrimate people? No? Than have a laugh about it.

This foodstruments site is to help financing Phoronix.

[Michael]

To anyone that thought I was being sexist with that news post, I apologize. I don't mean for any of that to be sexist or discriminatory in anyway. There are good male cooks and many of them at that, as with many female software engineers, etc.

[miles]

I checked some of the articles, and they're not that great. I just read the cheese grater, Fingertongs and the Swiss Army Paring Knife, and they left me unimpressed. The grater is a basic plastic one, which is a no-go unless you want to change it every other month, the Knife is tested on cheese (really? unless the knife is made of butter there's no way it wouldn't work), and no test on the longevity. The Fingertongs are useless, and unlike the reviewer, no I never had any problem with a good metal tong, neither did I ever see anybody have either. And putting a piece of plastic in some boiling oil is a health hazard (chemical migrate with heat, and oil is probably the worst for that) - somebody wanted to make a few bucks, and ended up with another useless but good-looking-on-a-storeshelf piece of junk.

My wife is on Linux, and there's no way I'll let her look as that site in its current state, because that would reflect so bad on Phoronix I'd rather she never sees it.

Please.

[miles]

To anyone that thought I was being sexist with that news post, I apologize. I don't mean for any of that to be sexist or discriminatory in anyway.

I didn't take it sexist at all. The articles on that site and the connection to a great site like Phoronix is what I'd have an issue with... it's like reading infomercials, or watching TV shopping channels.

Hopefully it's a good revenue source for Phoronix though.

[Setlec]

LMAO my mom and my GF loved the website! it's quite usefull for me too.

Cheers

[DanL]

Does foodstruments.com constantly plug their Phoronix Test Sweet for baked goods?

[Chewi]

I'm not bothered about the article but between me and my wife, I'm the one they call "Chef Chewi" while she can't cook to save her life! She does use Linux though. ;)

[whaevr]

My god they've done it!

Linux really can make me a sandwich now! Well almost.

Take that windows, we're one step closer than you are.

[Feathertail]

My girlfriend and I both cook, and we are both Linux enthusiasts. She's currently saving up to buy components to build her own desktop machine, and I'd like to be able to show her Phoronix reviews to help her pick things out, without her having to read things that insult her in between the benchmarks.

Michael's apology is a good sign, and it shows that the site owners know that it's not right to insult people like that. But the news post really needs to be changed to reflect this, I think. There are a lot of unspoken assumptions in it that a lot of people find offensive, and I think that that ought to be rectified.

Some people would take it in stride if their favorite cooking website posted an announcement about "Our new NASCAR and monster truck site that's sure to please your husband!" The fact that they wouldn't be bothered by it, though, doesn't make it any less unkind / insulting for the site's owners to lump people together like that, under a stereotype that many of them would resent or be depressed by.

Sort of like in this post on Not Always Right: http://notalwaysright.com/danica-says-eat-my-dust/2151

[cruiseoveride]

i agree 104%

I am a man. I am a fit, sexy, man. And i like to cook.


bwhahahahahah

[alexforcefive]

To anyone that thought I was being sexist with that news post, I apologize. I don't mean for any of that to be sexist or discriminatory in anyway. There are good male cooks and many of them at that, as with many female software engineers, etc.

Maybe you could change the article then? It is very offensive

[Feathertail]

Maybe you could change the article then? It is very offensive

I did notice the title changed! Many thanks to the person responsible.

[susikala]

Sheesh, would someone get a grip on reality...

_Most_ nerds, and by that I mean over 90% if not more, are men. I don't think the number is any different with Linuxusers, it might be even higher. This is neither sexist nor offending, it's reflecting reality. No reason to bash Phoronix for not being over politically correct, which is just ugly. There's a degree to which it _may_ be justified, but not here.

It's like saying black people are overrepresented in American jails. Is that racist, discriminatory? It's just stating the truth.

[bridgman]

My god they've done it!

Linux really can make me a sandwich now! Well almost.

Take that windows, we're one step closer than you are.

http://xkcd.com/149/

[mits]

lots of PC people here... :)

[sundown]

This reminds me so much of the story where you can install Debian on a microwave.

[rohcQaH]

I really don't want to imagine food reviews on phoronix.

"Here's three pages of graphs generated by phoronix-test-suite, describing nutritional values, chemical composition as well as mass, density, conductivity and pulpiness of the food. We didn't bother testing how it tastes, though."

:p

[stiiixy]

It's a Phoronix-Media webs-ite. Michael made ONE post informing you about it. Big deal. Go cry in your pillow. Personally, if they launched 3 more web-sites all unrelated to tech I would wonder why they didn't advertise at first between each other. There's more to life than your Linux PC and I personally have to eat.

Quit'ch'yer bitchin'

[krogy]

subtitute wife with significant other.
fixed!

[kensai]

LOL, since the moment I saw the title I knew it would be changed, it was crying for a change. I was surprised it lasted more than a minute there.

[deanjo]

Maybe you could change the article then? It is very offensive

And some people are just overly sensitive. My wife for one thought it was a great "tongue in cheek". Certainly no more offensive than many of the average headlines on the cover of many women targeted magazines.

[daveerickson]

Everyone settle down about the "sexist" thing. It was a joke.

Now, will there be forums there? A way to post suggestions of products to test? As well as a Linux enthusiast I also love to home brew and would really like to know if an induction burner would work. I hear great things about induction but no one can say if it can hold 4+ gallons of water at a rolling boil for an hour with little to no tinkering. Enquiring minds want to know. :)

[timofonic]

I'm quite interesed in cooking and I'm a young male. I find most females today like cooking less than males.

I'm often tired of looking into crappy sites about cooking/kitchen gadgets, lack of variety or are often oriented to their own shop products (often on the same site or separate, but the same owner).

Most of those sites shows products not available in my country too, Spain.

What about Linux software for cooking stuff? Or controlling cooking gadgets over linux, that would be quite nice :D

$ make coffee
$ buy tomatoes
$ make salad
$ make rice
$ get fruit


Will it have a vegetarian section? I'm still not totally vegetarian (yet), but my diet is more into that for health reasons.

I'm lately interested in the following:

- Small frdge+freezer combos:for hardcore geek sessions in front of compy and eating halthy. Those geeks working at Google use them!
- Vegetable milk makers: Lazy and geeks get healthy. Horchata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horchata) is great (specially chufa aka tigernuts) !
- Juice makers: Beause juices are faster than eating and easier.

PS: Change ads, we all hate Hannah Montana or if our butt is fat or not :P

[Milyardo]

I think the real question here is why does Foodstrument's theme look so much better than Phoronix's? D:

[mendieta]

$ make coffee
$ buy tomatoes
$ make salad
$ make rice
$ get fruit



how about "$ make clean" ?
:D

Seiously, have you looked at this?
http://www.linuxha.com/

[alexforcefive]

And some people are just overly sensitive. My wife for one thought it was a great "tongue in cheek". Certainly no more offensive than many of the average headlines on the cover of many women targeted magazines.

Yeah, well I'm not a member of any women's magazine forums otherwise I'd be telling them the exact same thing.

We're never going to achieve equality in this society unless we do everything we can to challenge lazy gender stereotyping wherever it occurs. Tongue-in-cheek or not, it's still sexist and unnecessary to cast men as technical geniuses and women as long-suffering housewives. The whole point in the FOSS movement is to promote equality and inclusion, that goes for gender as much as anything else.


/sociology major

[mendieta]

Yeah, well I'm not a member of any women's magazine forums otherwise I'd be telling them the exact same thing.

We're never going to achieve equality in this society unless we do everything we can to challenge lazy gender stereotyping wherever it occurs. Tongue-in-cheek or not, it's still sexist and unnecessary to cast men as technical geniuses and women as long-suffering housewives. The whole point in the FOSS movement is to promote equality and inclusion, that goes for gender as much as anything else.


/sociology major

I fully agree. Of course this is all off topic, but so is the original article we are discussing.

I knew people from pretty much every culture in the world, living in pretty much every continent, and I am amazed at how much sexism there is, these days, in pretty much all cultures. Even in "modern" couples where "both work", the norm is for the woman to take care of everything at home in the evening, when she is dead tired.

That is the reason I do all the cooking at home, not because I am better or anything, but because it's one little way of saying no to gender discrimination and abuse.

I noticed the article was changed, but the contents were not. I would like to kindly request that the article is rewritten in a factual way, and we all get through with this.

This world will never get any better unless we all do our part ...

[Danyul]

Ha ha this thread epitomises the reason that every day I grow to dislike the English language more and more and the "holier than thou" attitude displayed by the people advocating political correctness.

I would probably be more open to to changing my word choice if those people were not the most intolerant bunch of bipedal, higher thinking, opposable thumb wielding mammals who are trying to push us to a 1984 (the Orwell book) society.

I do not believe that a change of language to the extent that you would like equates to a positive shaping of society inasmuch as you still have each new generation trying to carve a unique niche on the world but each progressive generation succumbs further to a cultural watering down which only helps to defeat a persons passions rather than direct them into more productive means.

It's no longer freedom of speech, it's freedom of speech as long as it doesn't affect the feelings of anything capable of expressing an opinion. I'm not advocating racism, sexism or any ism because intolerance of things that people had no choice in is completely wrong and bigoted. However, being intolerant of people who do not meet your lofty standards in every way is also wrong.

I applaud Michael for taking the high road and changing the article however I shake my head at the simple minded idiots who thought the change in such an insignificant article was essential. Shame on you.

Oh and both my wife and I are great cooks and the sentiment here is shared between both of us.

[mendieta]

I applaud Michael for taking the high road and changing the article however I shake my head at the simple minded idiots who thought the change in such an insignificant article was essential. Shame on you.


And I applaud you for calling me an idiot. You are right, I am the intolerant one. I have great respect for Michael's contributions to Testing in Linux, and I have always talked to him with respect. Which is something I obviously can't expect from you. But I am not wasting my energy in this anymore.

[deanjo]

would like to kindly request that the article is rewritten in a factual way, and we all get through with this.

This world will never get any better unless we all do our part ...

... and while we are at it, can you please change all past and present articles to reflect this....

.. motherboard change to logicboard as not to offend the women that may be barren
.. daughtercard change to add in card as it may offend couples that have been trying to have a son
.. any references to mouse, P.E.T.A. might see this as exploitation of rodents
.. all references to gender specific ports.
... etc ....etc

Seriously, mendieta, if you get so easily offended I would recommend disconnecting your internet, never turn on the TV or radio, never read any printed media and find yourself a nice room with no windows with painted walls with a nice neutral colour.

BTW I find your nick offensive. Nice subliminal message, Men die ta (ta is a informal english form of thank you).

[susikala]

Ha ha this thread epitomises the reason that every day I grow to dislike the English language more and more and the "holier than thou" attitude displayed by the people advocating political correctness.

I couldn't agree more. But this is an increasing trend in western nations. People become oversensitive to crap and it's annoying as hell. You're not allowed anymore to say anything about blacks, asians, women, homosexuals, name-what-you-will. But if you bash a white heterosexual male (which is, by wide and far, the most productive group of individuals on this planet, whether you like it or not. It is a FACT) or generalise, it's OK.

Women are inferior. Blacks are inferior*. Etc. Not because I think so, but because it's the state of things.

* 'Inferior' here meaning not 'worth less', but 'contributes less to the advancement of the human race'.

[Danyul]

I think it's time for this thread to be locked before this gets out of control. I didn't want to do this but I'm going to have to.

@susikala No race or gender is inferior as a whole! Individuals can be lower in intelligence and contribute less to the advancement of the human race but NOT a race or specific gender and it's ignorant to say that.

The are so many white people who are lazy and are nothing but a drain on society and they fall in your white, male, heterosexual.

As a culture we have borrowed so much of what we are and what we know from other cultures and made it our own (even our language).

You would no doubt agree with me that people who are awarded with the Nobel Prize contribute very highly to the advancement of the human race and you just have to look at the huge number of females and other races that are awarded this achievement every year and your argument falls on its face.

If your statement is true it is because, and only because, it is the "most productive group" that literally held the others back from being more productive in the past.

@everyone

We should not be so ignorant to this and everybody has an equal place on this planet (talking about the right they are born with, not the conditions they are born into and where they choose to go from there) and should be given every opportunity to succeed.

I am simply against the forced and dramatic change to the way we are supposed to speak in neutral terms by people who claim tolerance but are intolerant to all that do not follow their guidance.

I am not against using some neutrality in my speech where appropriate but when it get to be a joke like 'baa baa rainbow sheep' and from postman to postperson I draw the line. If thats the case we should do the ultimate change and go from woman to woperson.

[susikala]

I think it's time for this thread to be locked before this gets out of control. I didn't want to do this but I'm going to have to.

@susikala No race or gender is inferior as a whole! Individuals can be lower in intelligence and contribute less to the advancement of the human race but NOT a race or specific gender and it's ignorant to say that.

The are so many white people who are lazy and are nothing but a drain on society and they fall in your white, male, heterosexual.

As a culture we have borrowed so much of what we are and what we know from other cultures and made it our own (even our language).

You would no doubt agree with me that people who are awarded with the Nobel Prize contribute very highly to the advancement of the human race and you just have to look at the huge number of females and other races that are awarded this achievement every year and your argument falls on its face.

If your statement is true it is because, and only because, it is the "most productive group" that literally held the others back from being more productive in the past.

You think it's time to lock this thread because someone expressed opinions that are different than yours or not considered mainstream or politically correct? Is that the meaning of free speech? I'm surprised to see such closed-mindedness on a FOSS forum, where I'd expect it the least.

Again, you catched on to the word 'inferior' and I was a bit wary to use it for fear people would pick on that.

I don't get your argument about the Nobel Prize, really: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_nob_pri_lau-people-nobel-prize-laureates

Guess what, the first twenty something countries listed there are composed, with the exception of Japan, of a majority of white people.

Per capita the statistics speak even a clearer language: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_nob_pri_lau_percap-nobel-prize-laureates-per-capita

The first ten countries are _all_ in middle/north Europe.

And here is another winning conclusion, from the Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Nobel_laureates:
'As of 2008, there have been 754 male Nobel laureates and 35 female laureates.'

And I bet many of those (probably recent) 35 are the result of overly political correctness, which is unfortunately pervading too many aspects of our lives and twisting our perception.

I'm not ignorant, I'm not even generalising, I'm just looking at facts. Men have better technical thinking, women are more feeling-driven. I don't know whether it's a good or a bad thing, it's just _reality_. Political correctness is humans trying to twist nature into their belief that "all people are equal". No we're not. Unless you're going to argue that men can bear babies.

[alexforcefive]

I am not against using some neutrality in my speech where appropriate but when it get to be a joke like 'baa baa rainbow sheep' and from postman to postperson I draw the line. If thats the case we should do the ultimate change and go from woman to woperson.

I agree that some things go too far, but this post isn't comparable to your examples. Complaining about the phrase "black sheep" is not the same as complaining about the casual sexism displayed in this article.

[Danyul]

@susikala I think this thread should be locked before this gets out of control simply because this is not the place for it. I am by no means saying that this discussion is inappropriate, Just that this isn't the place for it.

@alexforcefive I am drawing a parallel between these two because to me they are both a joke. Do you speak out against womens magazines that bash men? Do you speak out against nearly every black comedian making jokes about other races? Do many other people? Why or Why Not?

Now if someone white and male does this, why do PC advocates get all up in arms? They've taken a good idea of human equality and misapplied it to the most nonsensical degree.

Applying it to this article which I viewed the title as a sexual joke, not a sexist joke, taking of the countless spam emails we receive every week about pleasing our women with this enhancement or that product.

back @susikala While I know that not every race and gender are capable of the exact same things it does not mean they are not productive. You are, and I mistakenly did (@mendieta I'm an idiot too sometimes ;-P), try to measure progress from viewpoint that is not neutral.

What makes a better human race? Is it neutrality in everything? Progression in scientific fields towards the physical betterment and enlightened understanding of our surroundings? Is it an advance of technology to lessen the burden of the everyday work and increase the time we can spend in recreation? Is it a balance between us and our planet?

I don't believe it is any one thing that defines the human race as more progressive and I made a mistake by trying to pull in Nobel Prizes. Because from a different perspective a different group could be viewed as more progressive and your statement about bearing babies brought that to my mind :-P

[susikala]

Sorry, I have no notion of human races. Dogs have races. I think of it in terms of cultures. The white man's culture has thus far advanced the human race the most, it might change, and it might be that some don't view this as evolution but rather as devolution. Whatever you think though, it _is_ more comfortable to live today than in the past in the 'advanced' countries, or than in the third-world ones. It's _easier_, even, to get by and be happy.

And that you thank, by an overwhelming majority, to the white man's culture. It's not a matter of pride or boasting off (I hardly belong to those contributors), it's just stating the situation. Who knows, if history were different, we might have been depending on women, or black people. Though I doubt that, I believe nature is absolute, and that the human race would have evolved in this direction anyway.

Now, (overly) politically correct people just act self-destructively. They devoid our culture of any essence by equating everyone with everyone. Of course a woman can do the job and should be given opportunities to do it, but who can do it better? who can further us more? Statistics say it's white men.

I mean, heh, look at the average kernel developer...

[L33F3R]

Sorry, I have no notion of human races. Dogs have races. I think of it in terms of cultures.

its nice to see im not the only one who thinks like this.

[yotambien]

[snip incongruent babbling]

Your arguments are wrong at so many levels that I don't even know where to start from to clean the mess you left for our amusement.

It's not a happy coincidence that people get wary about sexist or racist comments or attitudes. History books tell us about the discrimination suffered by women and peoples of other 'races'. On the other hand, newspapers and day to day experience tell us about that very same discrimination in the present days. Precisely to correct this situation at every possible level is why affirmative action policies are adopted or why certain comments or speeches are not only unwelcomed but also punishable by law. Saying something about white heterosexual males is not the same sport, precisely because that group still sits in the privileged positions gained through centuries of oppression. That people like you equate both only shows the kind of hypocritical arguments with wich it is pretended to justify said discriminations and thus keep the status quo.

You talk about facts, picking them up without any critical consideration as to their validity or what may have caused them. Using the list of Nobel prizes to demonstrate some sort of superiority of white males is ridiculous. Women access to higher education is a very recent phenomenon, and the same has to be said about people from poorer countries or other traditionally oppressed groups. That they cope extremelly well when they are actually granted the opportunity brutally refutes any pretension at attributing this historic inequality to biology, culture or gender. Moreover, that women only recently gained access to the University is not a coincidence either, since their exclusion was a key component of the patriarchal world view, whereby women were artificially relegated to a secondary position both socially and economically. The causes of the smaller numbers of prominent scientists--or intelectuals in general--among other discriminated groups are not hard to understand either. To start with, the economic development enjoyed by western nations is built upon the exploitation of other countries. That India was one of the first world iron producers--a common industrial index--in the late eighteen century right before the British colonisation, while nowadays is still struggling to join the leading nations should give you a clue. Under hardship conditions is no wonder that people find it difficult to develop the ultimate theory of physics when the most basic needs are not covered. Having said this, much of the perception about the lack of 'advanced' cultures in other parts of the world is only a myth fed in the west from the early days at school. That you can't name a single chinese poet or an african phylosopher says more about your ignorance and the system you've grown up into than about reality.

But the main problem is not that your 'facts' do not explain what you would like them to. One big, fat issue with your arguments is that modernisation theories have been already debunked in the eighties and their assumptions are not tenable anymore. Of course, they are still used as an ideological weapon to justify certain policies (being Tony Blair and G. Bush two of their advocates). The another fundamental flaw is the notion of 'culture' your comments transpire--although with a great degree of confusion and incoherence, mixing up 'nature', 'culture', gender and sexual orientation. After the second world war--for obvious reasons--nobody dared to bring forth the argument of biological racism. The new trend, spanning up to our days, is cultural racism. Being the concept of race depleted of any meaning, now the differences are stressed through culture, with the result that exactly the same prejudices and attitudes of the past are now cheerfully passed under supposedly clean hands. But we know better; there is no difference between discriminating arabs because arabs or because muslims.

To finish, and since you seem so focused on human development--another problematic concept--I'll mention that even from a completely selfish point of view, the exploitation of other groups by white elites is a moral and material disaster. We will never know how many Socrates, Cervantes, Newtons or Einsteins the world never saw because they were busy working the land or struggling to survive. The same applies to the present days, where only a minority of the population has their basic needs granted and enough spare time to devote their efforts to more intelectual occupations like expanding the theoretical body of quantum mechanics, writing phylosophy or--since you mention it--coding the linux kernel. Relating human development to some 'natural' feature that white, heterosexual (!) males are endowed with only adds insult to injury.

[susikala]

Actually, I don't buy any of the post-modernist crap you wrote, yotambien. I invite you to emigrate to one of the countries whose people you consider equal (say Pakistan) and spread your advanced, prettily formulated, strongly bloated with self-admiration, but unfortunately completely pointless in face of the real world views there. That is, if you can.

[mendieta]

Is anyone actually moderating phoronix?

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

Aren't neonazi, openly sexist, anti-women, anti-non-white, inflammatory comments way beyound what's acceptable in this forum?

Apparently not.

The reason I participate in free and open source initiatives is mainly ethical/philosophical. I have never seen comments or situations like this in other forums (Mandrake/Mandriva back in the day, LUG mailing lists, Ubuntuforums, Kubuntuforums).

I have no reasons to stay in this forum whatsoever. I won't be part of a group that tolerates nazi speach. I hope I can close my account, if anyone has a pointer on how to do what, it would be appreciated. I didn't see an option in the control panel.

Thanks

[Danyul]

Nope, no way. Once you're in, you're IN! HAHAHAHA

[L33F3R]

Is anyone actually moderating phoronix?

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules


Aren't neonazi, openly sexist, anti-women, anti-non-white, inflammatory comments way beyound what's acceptable in this forum?

Apparently not.

The reason I participate in free and open source initiatives is mainly ethical/philosophical. I have never seen comments or situations like this in other forums (Mandrake/Mandriva back in the day, LUG mailing lists, Ubuntuforums, Kubuntuforums).

I have no reasons to stay in this forum whatsoever. I won't be part of a group that tolerates nazi speach. I hope I can close my account, if anyone has a pointer on how to do what, it would be appreciated. I didn't see an option in the control panel.

Thanks

seems almost cowardice of you.

First of all I would like to state that 95% of people here are of good heart and the others are too scared to speak out. Now im no mod im just a user, but at a personal level I believe anyones comments or ideas deserve to be heard if they can back it up. This is one of the principals of democracy itself. As for the enforcement of the rules: Just because such listed rules are poorly fallowed doesn't make phoronix a bad forum, just like lax (basically none) marijuana enforcement doesn't make Canada a bad country.

In all honesty you should leave. If you dont feel like you should be among this group then the logical choice would be to leave. But thats my opinion, you are a free mind so think for yourself. Don't take what I, or anyone else here has to say to heart because it doesn't coincide with your own beliefs. Dont bother to dispute them with reason and evidence. Outside the internet many of us go to establishments where we can express similar beliefs. We call them churches, mosques, temples ect. I recommend you find one where your own ideas will be widely heard and accepted.

One of the principals of free software is, well, free.

Never have I come across a board with a pluralistic population. This isn't regressive or arguing - its progressive and enlightening.

Cheers :D

[fxfuji]

I like Linux... and cooking. :)