This Week: Benchmarking, Benchmarking, & IGDNG

[phoronix]

Phoronix: This Week: Benchmarking, Benchmarking, & IGDNG

This week at Phoronix we published two articles that had benchmarks that generated quite a bit of interest and feedback: The Cost of SELinux, Audit, and Kernel Debugging and Arch Linux 2009.8 Benchmarks. The test results in these two articles were, of course, powered by the Phoronix Test Suite, for which we had additional news about this week...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzQ2MA

[Qaridarium]

its a shame to test like michael"phoronix"


ok its simpel intel is bad becourse the cloused source driver on macos and windows is much much much faster than the opensource one!
there is no need for testing hartware if the resuld be cleare bevor the
testing!
only nvidia and amd have a solution to have the same driver base to windows,macos and linux.
and macos.... is SSE3 compilet 32bit ubuntu only 486/686 compilet
macos is sse3 and 64bit ubuntu is only sse2...
macos has diverend compiler to macos use the intel compiler much much much faster than the GCC compiler!
if you make a real benchmark of the OS and not the compiler ...
you need to recompile a ubuntu linux completly on intelcompiler with SSE3 only support.-
then no "intel" VGA-- the result will be clear...
linux win every test and macos lose everytest.

but if you test like michael"phoronix" test in the past...

intelcompiler(macos) VS GCC (linux)

32bit-SS3 (macos) vs 486 (linux)

32bit-sse3 (macos) vs 64bit-sse2 (linux)

clousedsource intel driver(macos) vs opensource linux driver (linux)...

all overall.. its a shame to test like this!

[vermaden]

only nvidia and amd have a solution to have the same driver base to windows,macos and linux.

So read this part again:

Many people scream to use ATI or nVidia cards, but AMD does not provide their drivers to NetBSD and FreeBSD, nVdidia only provides i386 driver for FreeBSD, but there is no amd64 version, and no version for NetBSD either.

There WILL be diffrences in drivers and so, but ALL tested systems have ACCELRATED 2D/3D drivers for Intel cards.

AMD does not offer ANY drivers for FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenSolaris.

nVidia only offers limited i386 driver for FreeBSD and NOTHING for NetBSD.

The other way to be EQUAL for all systems will be using some old graphics card/untypical card where ALL systems will be forced to use 2D VESA driver to accomplish same slowdown everywhere ...

[nanonyme]

I wonder actually if the old cards would even be faster with vesa than modern ones. New cards might be designed for a bit different purposes.

[vermaden]

@nanonyme

Not the point mate, if we cant provide similar grapchics accelration for all systems, then turn it off for all systems, so benchmarks will be fair, but IMHO Intel sollution is far better (and all tested systems support it).

[Qaridarium]

So read this part again:

There WILL be diffrences in drivers and so, but ALL tested systems have ACCELRATED 2D/3D drivers for Intel cards.
AMD does not offer ANY drivers for FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenSolaris.
nVidia only offers limited i386 driver for FreeBSD and NOTHING for NetBSD.
The other way to be EQUAL for all systems will be using some old graphics card/untypical card where ALL systems will be forced to use 2D VESA driver to accomplish same slowdown everywhere ...

marketshare:windows 92% macos 7% linux 1% freebsd 0% netbsd 0% opensolaris 0%

to test on intel systems only for 0% of the market share is useless.


why hurt linux by making the benchmark test exakly in a way that linux only can lose only becourse FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenSolaris also will play with ? ? ?

edit:82% is wrong 92% is right.

[deanjo]

marketshare:windows 82% macos 7% linux 1% freebsd 0% netbsd 0% opensolaris 0%

I believe that is supposed to be 92% Windows.

[vermaden]

marketshare:windows 82% macos 7% linux 1% freebsd 0% netbsd 0% opensolaris 0%

to test on intel systems only for 0% of the market share is useless.


why hurt linux by making the benchmark test exakly in a way that linux only can lose only becourse FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenSolaris also will play with ? ? ?

LOL?

So why bother benchmarking at all if you want to discriminate other systems at start :ASD

Intel owns MOST current graphics card market so this is the most popullar hardware btw.

Other thing that you would not say that a year ago when Linux also was 0% market share ...

Also Linux has THE SAME CHANCES as other systems on Intel hardware, its still THE SAME HARDWARE you know?

[nanonyme]

marketshare:windows 82% macos 7% linux 1% freebsd 0% netbsd 0% opensolaris 0% I suspect this covers mainly desktop systems. Statistics for server-only systems might show quite a bit smaller percentage for Windows. (though still a significant one) But yeah, as said before, where's the missing 10%? :3 Is there an invisible operating system getting market share!?! :o

[suokko]

I suspect this covers mainly desktop systems. Statistics for server-only systems might show quite a bit smaller percentage for Windows. (though still a significant one) But yeah, as said before, where's the missing 10%? :3 Is there an invisible operating system getting market share!?! :o

Pirated windows :P That should really have larger market share but still ;)

[deanjo]

macos has diverend compiler to macos use the intel compiler much much much faster than the GCC compiler!

What are you smoking? OS X's compiler is GCC. 10.6 will also feature clang with LLVM. No intel compiler at all.

[Qaridarium]

I believe that is supposed to be 92% Windows.

right!--- its my error ... sorry noboddy is perfekt.

[Qaridarium]

I suspect this covers mainly desktop systems. Statistics for server-only systems might show quite a bit smaller percentage for Windows. (though still a significant one) But yeah, as said before, where's the missing 10%? :3 Is there an invisible operating system getting market share!?! :o

yes only desktop market share.. but server do not need grafic benchmarks.

[Qaridarium]

What are you smoking? OS X's compiler is GCC. 10.6 will also feature clang with LLVM. No intel compiler at all.

be sure macos is compile by the intel compiler.

only the installed compiler for the users are gcc....

you also can install gcc on an windows and windows is compilet by the microsoft compiler.

[deanjo]

be sure macos is compile by the intel compiler.

only the installed compiler for the users are gcc....

you also can install gcc on an windows and windows is compilet by the microsoft compiler.

Dude I worked for Apple for 5 years, I know exactly what development tools they use.

http://developer.apple.com/Tools/overview.html

Mac OS X includes all the tools, frameworks, and documentation you need to create fantastic applications for the Mac. Xcode (http://developer.apple.com/Tools/xcode) is the same professional developer toolset used by Apple to create Mac OS X, as well as many great Apple applications, and Xcode is included with every copy of Mac OS X. As new hardware or platforms are released, updated versions of Xcode to support these platforms will be available to download from the ADC website. Xcode's documentation is regularly updated using RSS downloads so you always have the latest information.
The Xcode IDE is optimized to create fantastic Cocoa applications, but it also supports an open, extensible architecture that is great for developing portable UNIX tools using the GCC compiler, experimenting with the latest script languages, and building rich Web-based applications. Bundled are industry-leading analysis tools such as Instruments (http://developer.apple.com/performance/) that make it even easier to maximize the 64-bit and multi-core hardware of the latest Macs.

[deanjo]

I also might add commercial developers for OS X also use the GCC compiler such as Aspyr.

http://developer.apple.com/business/macmarket/aspyr.html

I also have toured the ATI facility in Markham a few times and your "ATI only tests on intel machines" in another thread is pure BS as well.

[Ant P.]

Quawhatever is worse than Jade IMO

[deanjo]

Quawhatever is worse than Jade IMO

At least Jade tried to backup his accusations. Quawhatever just spews his rambling misinformed thoughts as fact.

[Qaridarium]

Dude I worked for Apple for 5 years, I know exactly what development tools they use.

http://developer.apple.com/Tools/overview.html

you think you are so clever...

"" Xcode is the same professional developer toolset used by Apple to create Mac OS X,""

you also can create macos with Xcode and compile by the intel compiler!

""The Xcode IDE is optimized to create fantastic Cocoa applications, but it also supports an open, extensible architecture that is great for developing portable UNIX tools using the GCC compiler""

make some unix programms are not the same as compile macos hisself.

[Qaridarium]

I also might add commercial developers for OS X also use the GCC compiler such as Aspyr.

http://developer.apple.com/business/macmarket/aspyr.html

I also have toured the ATI facility in Markham a few times and your "ATI only tests on intel machines" in another thread is pure BS as well.

2 years ago ati was not amd why sould ati 2 years ago test on amd systems ?

becourse 80% of all consumers buys ati vgas was on the intel platform!

ati stest everysingle stepp on an intel based platform becourse AMD sell ATI VGAS to intel users !

[deanjo]

you think you are so clever...

"" Xcode is the same professional developer toolset used by Apple to create Mac OS X,""

you also can create macos with Xcode and compile by the intel compiler!

""The Xcode IDE is optimized to create fantastic Cocoa applications, but it also supports an open, extensible architecture that is great for developing portable UNIX tools using the GCC compiler""

make some unix programms are not the same as compile macos hisself.

2 years ago ati was not amd why sould ati 2 years ago test on amd systems ?

becourse 80% of all consumers buys ati vgas was on the intel platform!

ati stest everysingle stepp on an intel based platform becourse AMD sell ATI VGAS to intel users !

What did you miss? I worked @ apple for 5 years. You are talking complete BULLSHIT. I know what we used and what they continue to use. As well I've had walkthru's of ATI's facilites both pre and post the AMD acquisition and again, you are talking total BULLSHIT.

[Michael]

Qaridarium, shape it up or you will be banned.