AMD Catalyst 9.8 Delivers New Kernel Support

[energyman]

what shall the installer do? remove configs that were changed by the user? that would be equally wrong.

The installer could warn about it, that problems might go away if you remove that directory...

[RealNC]

Or it could update the incompatible entries.

[Ravnos]

For those having problems with F11

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=155503&page=234

it is a problem related to the hardware cursor and fglrx.

[mirv]

People are really desperate in looking for things to blame the fglrx drivers it would seem.

[RealNC]

This is an existing problem. Of course you think that having people chasing forums for several days until they discover the "delete /etc/ati" solution is really great. Your opinion. My opinion is that the user should be told or the installer should fix the entries.

People are really desperate in defending the fglrx driver's bugs.

[AdrenalineJunky]

considering there are about 10 million different ways you could have your system configured its kinda to be expected to some extent. i see configuration problems leading to broken nvidia drivers on forums as well.

[energyman]

there are so many things people could change. So many interactions. Hard for a tool to figure that out. Also people always blamed yast for doing that .... hmmm...

[mirv]

Well, I finally got amdcccle working. The bad way - used the ati installer instead of the gentoo ebuild. Something on my system is really screwed; likely junk leftover from a really old driver/xorg-server/libX11/whatever.
The synch to vertical refresh option actually makes some movies play nicer as it turns out.

[energyman]

ugh - not using the ebuild will hurt you later. There are a lot of apps that need mesa-ogl to compile and won't do with nvidia or ati. If stuff fails, deinstall ati and reinstall mesa...

[nanonyme]

Well, at least you don't also have to reinstall X server like with nvidia driver. ;)

[mirv]

Yeah I know it's an evil thing to do, but I was tired and thought "what the heck, it's broken anyway...."
Of course, now I can look back through the install logs and see what was changed to make it work. Then find out how to put my system back in order again.

-- yes, that is a major drawback with the nvidia drivers. That's what they get for replacing bits of X!

[Kano]

Well

nvidia-installer --uninstall

removes all nvidia code and puts back the backup files - enough to switch to fglrx later without problems. Of course when you updated those in the meantime then you have got older ones. But for system with very few xorg updates it works fine enough.

[Jeff72]

Anyone else having trouble getting 9.8 to compile on 64-bit F11 with kernel-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64 ? My fglrx-install.log file says:

[Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[Message] Kernel Module : Found kernel module build environment, generating kernel module now.
AMD kernel module generator version 2.1
doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher
rm -rf *.c *.h *.o *.ko *.GCC* .??* *.symvers
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64'
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.o
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:431:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:464:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:490:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:514:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_agp.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_debug.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_ioctl.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_io.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_pci.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_str.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_wait.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST 1 modules
CC /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.mod.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.ko
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64'
build succeeded with return value 0
duplicating results into driver repository...
done.
You must change your working directory to /lib/modules/fglrx
and then call ./make_install.sh in order to install the built module.
- recreating module dependency list
- trying a sample load of the kernel modules
failed.
[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to install compiled kernel module - please consult readme.

Hardware: Phenom II, AMD780G (Radeon HD 3200).

Your module is compiling, it just isn't able to activate the new module.

Look over my procedure posted here:
http://http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=228689

[Jeff72]

I´ve installed for testing shortly Windows 7. The temps are 65 to 70C and I can set the fan speed.

My problem is, that my case is nearly burning with the two cards (an usb cable was melting cause of this!) in it.

I would be so much happy when I can set the fan speed, I missing the noise of the fan. :rolleyes:


At all, this is still a bug:


Is there another way to set the fan speed?

# To fix selinux issue with aticonfig, run the following line as "root" userID:
chcon -t textrel_shlib_t '/usr/lib/libatiadlxx.so'

# to get fanspeed:
aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0"

[Technojunkie]

Your module is compiling, it just isn't able to activate the new module.

Look over my procedure posted here:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=228689
It worked! Thanks!

[cutterjohn]

what shall the installer do? remove configs that were changed by the user? that would be equally wrong.

The installer could warn about it, that problems might go away if you remove that directory...Back them up just like they do with corg.conf and replace them with a fresh copy. Granted initial config just adds the "preferred" ATI specific lines to xorg.conf and seems to leave everything else alone.

Of the problem with this solution is that the clueless/semi-clueless users will probably never figure out that they'd need to go back and re-edit those file to get whatever functionality it was that they had back as well as leaving off anything that for somereason might now need to be left off.

As to freezing: I've managed to play some videos after awaking from sleep now, but I'm not ready to write that bug off yet.

Still have the random black areas of screen corruption, correctable by forced screen refreshes. Seems to occur randomly, and I'd guess that it's confined to the 2D portion of the driver as I've never noticed a similar effect in 3D apps although those are usually updating on a fairly regular basis so it would be difficult to detect. (60Hz or more full screen refreshes...)

I also still have compiz/beryl off, but I suspect that I'll never turn it on again until the OSS drivers are beta and have good 3D support for R7XX chips...

Actually the biggest problem that I EVER had with nVidia drivers, now that I think of it, is the entirely arcane way in which they are installed. AMD I will say is nice in that they leverage users to, apparently, provide instalaltion scripts to build nice install packages for "officially" supported distros while with nVidia it seems you either take what the distro has or the generic nVidia package, of course I usually built my own packages from those but it wasn't as easy as with AMD drivers, i.e. took nore time and could sometimes be more problematic yet they still are of much higher quality than catalyst. (The tradeoff being that I spend less time isolating driver problems with nVidia than AMD AFTER driver installation... so in the end nVidia wins on time spent.)

[energyman]

or you are using a cool distro where the new configs are stored besides the old ones and you are remembered to merge them. Also cool fistris, like gentoo, have all the tools to easily do that (etc-update, cfg-update)

[energyman]

btw, I edited the xorg-server ebuild to add the fedora_dont_backfill_bg_none.patch patch and installed the very latest qt version while I was at it.

composite is on. 2d speed is PERFECT. There are NO slowdowns. Resizing windows is an instant action. No corruption so far.

This patch should be standard everywhere.

[partha]

and it works with 2.6.29+30 without patches.

So what is your problem?
Running Fedora 10 and installed "generic" kernel 2.6.29.6 from kernel.org. 9.8 does compile (with errors) but does not install.
Details:
laptop: Sony vaio vgn-fw139e
uname: 2.6.29.6
ACPI wrap errors.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Partha

[partha]

Your module is compiling, it just isn't able to activate the new module.

Look over my procedure posted here:
http://http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=228689

Your procedure doesn't say anything about how it is not activating? What exactly is the solution to "errors while installing fglrx"?

Thanks,
Partha

[energyman]

you could start with like posting the error message.

[partha]

you could start with like posting the error message.
Fair enough...

more /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log
[Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[Message] Kernel Module : Found kernel module build environment, generating kernel module now.
AMD kernel module generator version 2.1
doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher
rm -rf *.c *.h *.o *.ko *.GCC* .??* *.symvers
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/downloads/kernel/linux-2.6.29.6'
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_MapPageToPfn’:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1568: warning: unused variable ‘bus_addr’
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.o
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:431:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:464:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:490:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_acpi.c:514:6: warning: #warning "ACPI notification wrapping won't work."
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_agp.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_debug.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_ioctl.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_io.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_pci.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_str.o
CC [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_wait.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST 1 modules
CC /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.mod.o
LD [M] /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.ko
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/downloads/kernel/linux-2.6.29.6'
build succeeded with return value 0
duplicating results into driver repository...
done.
You must change your working directory to /lib/modules/fglrx
and then call ./make_install.sh in order to install the built module.
- recreating module dependency list
- trying a sample load of the kernel modules
failed.
[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to install compiled kernel module - please consult readme.


Thanks,
Partha

[PuckPoltergeist]

btw, I edited the xorg-server ebuild to add the fedora_dont_backfill_bg_none.patch patch and installed the very latest qt version while I was at it.

composite is on. 2d speed is PERFECT. There are NO slowdowns. Resizing windows is an instant action. No corruption so far.

This patch should be standard everywhere.

2D speed is good, no slowdowns, but sometime artefacts. You should be able to trigger with hidden panel that only apears when hitting the boddom of the screen with the mouse. Tested with KDE 4.3 and Qt 4.5.2.

[energyman]

no problem here. No artifacts, but I am using a svn version of qt which has a lot of kde related fixes.

partha - I have no idea - but you can find my working kernel config here:
http://omploader.org/vMjdhbg

[CNCFarraday]

Erm, I've been reading these forums for quite a while bun never got into the discussion.

First of all, I've been using various Linux and *BSD distros for almost 10 years now. I've also used ATI cards since my first ISA bus ATi card with 512K (K!) RAM and I know the pain of ATi drivers. I still have it in some junk box, along with the manual. It's actually made in Canada! :D

For my FreeBSD box I have an old Nvidia Gf4800 and, while the dark days of ATi / Linux I used an Gf2 GTS (yes "2"!) for the linux box.

Anyways, I have 5 machines at home and, except for the FreeBSD box for which ATi shows no love, all have ATi and had ATi forever. I have two machines with radeon 3200 integrated on the (gigabyte) motherboard, one with a sapphire radeon 3870 and one with a sapphire radeon 4850. I also have a 4830 that I used at my last workplace (I brought my own card) with a Debian machine.

All these work fine on Debain / Ubuntu / Gentoo and SuSe (I need to make and test app packages for these distros, in case you are wondering). Debian, Ubuntu and SuSe all have 2.6.26-amd64 kernel and the Gentoo Box has a kernel that is a little older because the box has an older Adaptec I/O card that has problems with any kernel >24.

I just updated all except Gentoo to ATi's 9.8 driver and all boxes work fine. I always purge the fglrx module and assorted packages without X started, reboot into single user mode, run the blob from ATi, copy a backed-up xorg, reboot and it works. fglrxinfo works so does fglxgears, google earth works, and i ran some games to see how it works and it's ok. No hangups, no corruption.

I played some 720p and 1080p mkvs in VLC and mplayer and its all good. (with vlc > 0.8.8).

Here are the configurations that *work* 100% with all Catalyst drivers released recently:

Ubuntu (8.04 AMD64) Radeon 3200 (integrated) on a Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H (AMD 780G/SB700) with a AMD Phenom X4 9350e and 4GB RAM. Everything works with Catalyst 9.8, no freeze, no lockups, OpenGL rendering ok, 1080p videos...

SuSe (10.2 AMD64) Radeon 3200 (integrated) on a Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H (AMD 780G/SB700) with a AMD Athlon X2 5050e and 4GB RAM. Same, but i only tested Google Earth and glxgears, no wine and/or 3D games.

Debian (5 AMD64) Sapphire Radeon 3870 512MB pciex16 on a Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6 (AMD790FX/SB600 ) with a AMD Athlon X2 6000 and 8GB RAM. I have tested everything, including AvP1, AvP2, DeusEx, Quake 3 and Quake 4 in wine. AvP2 and Q4 crash randomly but it's from wine, otherwise they work fine.

Gentoo (2008 AMD64) Sapphire Radeon 4850 512MB pciex16 on a Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-UD5P (AMD790FX/SB750 ) with a AMD Phenom X4 9850 and 8GB RAM. This one has 8.10 with kernel 2.6.24.* and I don't use any compiz/3d games and such because I need a specific clean configuration of Gentoo for my builds, but X works ok, no hangups or random freeze... I tried an 1080p in mplayer and it worked ok. (in case you are wondering why the 4850 and 9850 on a gentoo box, it also has an WinXP drive)

It seems to me that, on one hand, people with older ATi cards, from the pre 2xxx generations have a lot of trouble and, on the other hand, there might be some hardware issues with other components.

The truth is, before the "big" Gigabyte mobos (790FX) i had similar ASUS mobos and they gave me a lot of headakes, one had really crappy sound in Debian/SuSe (not in windows) and it finally just died and the other had a horrible I/O controller problem.

I have somewhere around and old Athlon x2 on 939 socket, a mobo and a sapphire radeon 1600 pro AGP. I'll install Debian/Ubuntu/SuSe on it, if i find some DDR1 RAM and let you all know how it works with the latest catalyst drivers.

I hope this helps.

[partha]

partha - I have no idea - but you can find my working kernel config here:
http://omploader.org/vMjdhbg

Thanks Energyman. Looks like 9.8 is not ready for my machine yet with a kernel > 2.6.27.25. So, I am sticking to 9.8 and 2.6.27.25 for now. 9.8 works beautifully on that kernel and I get everything I need. I will wait for 9.9 for the issues to be ironed out before attempting with a higher version of the kernel.

Partha

[V!NCENT]

Bridgman,

Does ATI have any intention to eventually deliver the same quality drivers as nVidia? Because, with all due respect, this is getting absolutely ridiculous.

-V!NCENT

[mirv]

Bridgman,

Does ATI have any intention to eventually deliver the same quality drivers as nVidia? Because, with all due respect, this is getting absolutely ridiculous.

-V!NCENT

You may as well have put up a neon sign saying "I am a troll. Feed me."

[Kano]

@CNCFarraday

When you try to use xv with fglrx all videos have EXTREME tearing. That's usually the default renderer for videos and not opengl which is better for fglrx users as long as vsync is forced via amdcccle. It seems you never could compare that against a vdpau enabled nvidia card...

[V!NCENT]

You may as well have put up a neon sign saying "I am a troll. Feed me."
Am I? I have bought a HD4870 X2. On Windows XP I keep getting BSOD's due to the ATI driver. And that's not with heavy 3D. No sir. It's usually when I'm on the 2D desktop! And in 3D games most shadows are not even texture filtered (Red Alert 3, Colin Mcrae Dirt)

OK no worries, we have Linux also. Guess what? X.org is in the middle of a complete rework for the r6xx and the proprietary driver is a crying shame.

So what does this mean? Am I a troll or does ATI suck that much? Well, the latter.

I might as well just throw the graphics card I payed 480 euro for in the trashcan. Thank you very much with your "Stop trolling" BS. Go fsck yourself. I mean it.

[CNCFarraday]

@Kano

I use OpenGL render in VLC and it works fine and dandy.

@V!NCENT

Maybe you bought a bad card. What make and model is it? Maybe you have a shitty power source, a bad memory module, an out-of-date bios... etc. There can be a gazillion(tm) things that can give you BSOD that are out od ATi's control. They only make the GPU and release design guides for the boards.

As I've said in another post, i have two gigabyte mobos with integrated radeon 3200 and two more with discrete graphics cards: a 3870 and a 4850, both from sapphire. I also use(d) at my last workplace a radeon 4830. All work fine on AMD64 kernel > .24, with Debian/Ubuntu/SuSe/Gentoo...

"I have bought a HD4870 X2. On Windows XP I keep getting BSOD's due to the ATI driver." Do you have any proof it's from ATi's driver? Or you are just assuming that?

When I first bought the 3870 i put it on a ASUS am2+ mobo with 790FX and I kept getting bsod in windows and a lot of problems in debian. I was just about to return the card when I accidentally discovered that all the problems were from the... DVD-RW unit! No fucking kidding. I hada Pioneer sata DVD-RW on the secondary sata controller (not the one on the (ati sb) that kept bsod-ing windows and debian (though on debian in never actually crashed the kernel) and I only found out after experimenting on linux and weeding through the kernel logs (a thing that's impossible to do on windows).

Maybe you should do a little research and see if the problem is really from ATi or it is some combination of mobo+video card, windows+ati driver etc...

Also, you are an immature moron, who buys a ~500E video card to play Red Alert 3. Why are you even interested in linux if you pay 500E for a freaking video card to game on?

You come here and claim ATi in shit because you payed 480E and windows crashes. Again: do you have any proof that it is exclusevly fault ATi of ATi's driver? You could've posted some system specs, some memory dump of the crash, tried your card on another machine, or with another operating system. But no, you come here bitching about throwing 500E into the trashcan and tell people to fsck themselves.

[mirv]

Am I? I have bought a HD4870 X2. On Windows XP I keep getting BSOD's due to the ATI driver. And that's not with heavy 3D. No sir. It's usually when I'm on the 2D desktop! And in 3D games most shadows are not even texture filtered (Red Alert 3, Colin Mcrae Dirt)

OK no worries, we have Linux also. Guess what? X.org is in the middle of a complete rework for the r6xx and the proprietary driver is a crying shame.

So what does this mean? Am I a troll or does ATI suck that much? Well, the latter.

I might as well just throw the graphics card I payed 480 euro for in the trashcan. Thank you very much with your "Stop trolling" BS. Go fsck yourself. I mean it.
File system check complete....everything ok!
Take a chill-pill mate, calm down. Your problems are not due to ati's drivers, and if you think ati's binary linux blob drivers are a "crying shame", then you've obviously not used them in a while (you also didn't point out what you think is wrong with them).

[V!NCENT]

@V!NCENT

Maybe you bought a bad card. What make and model is it?
It's Club3D HD4870X2. EAN: CGAX-48748X2. 2D works fine in Linux and 2D in Windows XP is a problem. But when I play a 3D game there appears to be no problem at all except for shadows but only in some games. Not the usual artifacts one expects to get from a bad card.

Maybe you have a shitty power source, a bad memory module, an out-of-date bios... etc. There can be a gazillion(tm) things that can give you BSOD that are out od ATi's control. They only make the GPU and release design guides for the boards.
I first had Corsair TX 650W PSU. I thought that might had caused the problem so now I have a CoolerMaster 1000W PSU. I have Kingston RAM with correct rtc in the BIOS and MemTest gives me no errors. My motherboard is a Gigabyte S-series Ultra Durable MA790GP-DS4H. My CPU is AMD Phenom 9950 X4 with B3 stepping, so no stepping bug.

"I have bought a HD4870 X2. On Windows XP I keep getting BSOD's due to the ATI driver." Do you have any proof it's from ATi's driver? Or you are just assuming that?
The BSOD tels me that some ATI module caused the crash, so I am kinda freaking sure it's ATI's fault.


When I first bought the 3870 i put it on a ASUS am2+ mobo with 790FX and I kept getting bsod in windows and a lot of problems in debian. I was just about to return the card when I accidentally discovered that all the problems were from the... DVD-RW unit! No fucking kidding.
I have had my drives since I bought a AMD Athlon 2800 XP+ and an ATI 9800pro, so uh, no.

Also, you are an immature moron, who buys a ~500E video card to play Red Alert 3. Why are you even interested in linux if you pay 500E for a freaking video card to game on?
I, and everybody else who had that game running on the highest settings at 1680x1050 gets about 45fps thank you very much. The reason I bought such an expensive ATI card is because:
A) I plan to do 5-6 years with my computer (and fixing what breaks);
B) I choose ATI for going FLOSS and;
C) Because I need immense power for FLOSS drivers because usually the FLOSS drivers performance suck due to the lack of ugly hacks and shortcuts.

Okey is that enough 'justification' for you?

[V!NCENT]

PS: Oh and D) Because in 5-6 years maybe there's a chance that Wine catches up to Windows XP games and there might be more serious games for Linux and by that time I am too old for gaming (25-26 yo by then)

[CNCFarraday]

Hmm... I might be able to get my hands on a 4870 x2 for testing purposes. Try a clean XP install. If you can - if you have a spare hdd around - try installing vista 32/64 and see how that works.

Holy crap! A 1000W PSU?? I have a wattmeter hooked up to the most powerful computer, with a 125W cpu, a 100+W gpu, 4x 3.5 hdd a i/o card and the worst load, in windows while playing farcry2 with some stuff in the bg to keep all 4 cores busy, the total draw is ~320W...

Also , googling for <"club 3d" + HD4870X2> yields quite a few posts on various forums with people getting bsod on Windows XP with this card... It *could* be that Club3D made a shitty card... ?

Try to make sure it is adequately cooled, maybe it is overheating...

[V!NCENT]

Hmm... I might be able to get my hands on a 4870 x2 for testing purposes. Try a clean XP install. If you can - if you have a spare hdd around - try installing vista 32/64 and see how that works.
I had Windows 7 beta running without problems for as long as I tried it. Everything was slower so I dumped it :) 64bit.

Holy crap! A 1000W PSU??
Motherboard 125W
Phenom 9950 140W
HD4870X2 350W
125+140+350=615W

And that's without the HDD and disc drives :P

But we aren't there yet :-o Enter 80% efficiency >.<

650W * 0,8 = 520W PSU
1000W * 0,8 = 800W PSU

Also , googling for <"club 3d" + HD4870X2> yields quite a few posts on various forums with people getting bsod on Windows XP with this card... It *could* be that Club3D made a shitty card... ?
A suggested fix in the official ATI forum (http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=260&threadid=115820) is to flash the BIOS and reinstall Windows. I have build this PC from scratch and so no ther card has ever been in the PCI slot and the HDD was also new (Samsung 1TB) and so the Windows XP install was kinda 'clean' enough ;) As long as I don't have any other options left I might flas the BIOS but if it ain't broke that I don't want to flash it.

Try to make sure it is adequately cooled, maybe it is overheating...
Bridgman once said on this forums that the card could handle 120 degrees celsius. The CCC tells me the card is 60 degrees celsius idle (I opened up the case and put a household fan in front of it xD

[energyman]

motherboard 125W? where do you get that numbers?
same for the card? Have you confused overall energy usage with one component?

I have/had a 125W cpu, an overclocked 3870 - itself a very hot card - and I had an energy consumption of:
106W in KDE.

with three harddisks. And 4 fans. And a hvd scsi card, sound card, tv card.

Highest load was:
300W - and to reach that I had to 'trick' the system. Because 'just gaming' or 'just compiling' did not break the 200W barrier.

[energyman]

oh, and your mathematics are wrong. The Wattage of the PSU is on the mainboard side.

So you would have got away with a 600W psu and still would have had headroom.

Your 1000W psu is sucking in 1250W. And 700W are wasted. Well done!

[V!NCENT]

motherboard 125W? where do you get that numbers?
http://tweakers.net/ <-Dutch website. But just looking at the cooler on that thing says enough. Google for a picture.

I have/had a 125W cpu, an overclocked 3870 - itself a very hot card - and I had an energy consumption of:
106W in KDE.
You need a special motherboard to handle the Phenom 9950 X4 as that draws 140W. I googled for the right motherboard and somewhere on the official AMD forums I found which motherboard I needed. A 3870? I have two 4870's on one chip (hence the 'X2' behind the name). Oh and KDE (what version?) is not really a good reference for calculating how much power your computer needs under max load in order to stay stable. Also: it's a well accepted fact that PSU's with more than the minimum Watt requirement make your PC a little more stable.

with three harddisks. And 4 fans. And a hvd scsi card, sound card, tv card.
Yeah I have one 'large' fan, floppy drive, DVD-R, DVD-RW, Sata-3 HDD, webcam, wireless controller reciever, cardreader, front-audio and an external HDD and usually one USB stick plugged in.

Highest load was:
300W - and to reach that I had to 'trick' the system. Because 'just gaming' or 'just compiling' did not break the 200W barrier.
Get Wine and download Steam (http://www.steampowered.com/) to get your CPU usage up to 100% (haha), then, while Steam Window is not minimised, go to YouTube with Firefox and the official Adobe Flash Plugin and stream this video in HD and put it on fullscreen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU
That should at least get 2 CPU cores maxxed :') Now run the test again :P

[RealNC]

You can get decent results of your system's PSU requirements here:

http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com

Of course it might be a few watts off, but it still gives a good idea about general wattage requirements.

[energyman]

my motherboard is 140W capable and officially supported the 140W phenoms.


As I wrote, I did puish my system. Daily stuff, 106W. Tv? 116W. Compiling some fat package? 160W. Gaming? 160-200W. Artificially maxing the system? 300W.

And with artificially maxing I used cpuburn cores*2+ut2004/vegastrike, while having find walking through my system.

Measured on the plug side. So the system itself draw even less.

I googled for your board and energy consumption:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2008/08/26/gigabyte-ga-ma790gp-ds4h/13

doesn't look that high...

Not high powered PSUs make your system stable. High quality make it stable. And high wattage and high quality are not the same - and with some psu's even mutual exclusive.

In short, your PSU is way overpowered. You are wasting a lot of electricity and money.

[RealNC]

In short, your PSU is way overpowered. You are wasting a lot of electricity and money.

On what? The PSU doesn't burn juice for nothing. Only for what's needed. It can *provide* up to 1000W, it doesn't *consume* 1000W by itself.

[energyman]

no, it does waste electricity because it is so underloaded that it runs less effective ;)

[V!NCENT]

You can get decent results of your system's PSU requirements here:

http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com

Of course it might be a few watts off, but it still gives a good idea about general wattage requirements.
Kaboom baby: 574 Watts. The best PSU's have 80% efficency so 650 * 0.8 = 520 Watts. 520 - 574 = -54 Watts. Ah that means that a 650 Watt with a 85% CPU TDP use and 100% load (I can easily get that) is NOT enough.

n what? The PSU doesn't burn juice for nothing. Only for what's needed. It can *provide* up to 1000W, it doesn't *consume* 1000W by itself.
^That. Anybody saying otherwise needs to go back to school.

[energyman]

you are still doing it wrong! The watt on the package are about the OUTPUT not the INPUT!

650W PSU = 650W on the package and on the system side, but it sucks 812W from the wall socket.

In your case a 650W PSU would be way more than enough.

[energyman]

^That. Anybody saying otherwise needs to go back to school.

look up efficency. Best, go to anandtech and read their huge article about the shortcomings of overblown psu's.

[CNCFarraday]

Also, one thing you get wrong is that PSUs have the best rated efficiency at certain loads. For example, most high end PSUs have 90% efficiency when the load is higher than 80%. If the load on the PSU is lower (way lower in Vincent's case) the conversion efficiency is even lower.

Read some basic electronics and figure out what happens inside a power source.

[energyman]

Also, one thing you get wrong is that PSUs have the best rated efficiency at certain loads. For example, most high end PSUs have 90% efficiency when the load is higher than 80%. If the load on the PSU is lower (way lower in Vincent's case) the conversion efficiency is even lower.

Read some basic electronics and figure out what happens inside a power source.

exactly - Vincent's psu should be below 20% load most of the time - and that means, less than 80% efficiency. Sometimes down to 50-60%... wasting lots and lots of power...

[lordmozilla]

this story reminds me of american cars with V8 5.4L engines... at 100bhp...

Just cause the number is bigger doesnt mean its better. But some people never get it. YEAH 5GHZ!!!

[Qaridarium]

exactly - Vincent's psu should be below 20% load most of the time - and that means, less than 80% efficiency. Sometimes down to 50-60%... wasting lots and lots of power...

thats right BUT!

less power efficiency does not mean less healty.

bigger one does also have bigger cooler passiv ones and aktiv ons

thats means if you only use 20% you also get a cooler one becourse of the bigger cooling system.

most of the time bigger one have also more quality becourse you cant build a bigger one cheaper thats becourse the cheap one will explote @1000watt outgoing.

but yes the efficiency is low thats right.

[energyman]

so what? if you have a good case heat isn't a problem anyway. If the PSU is a quality part it is silent at 50 or 60% load too. So it does not matter that the PSU is 'cooler'. What matters is that he is wasting away money.

[V!NCENT]

no, it does waste electricity because it is so underloaded that it runs less effective ;)
Yeah, so? That's completely besides the point. The point is max 80% efficiency at highest load.

you are still doing it wrong! The watt on the package are about the OUTPUT not the INPUT!
I don't give a rats ass about how much it draws. I only care about how much my PC needs.

650W PSU = 650W on the package and on the system side, but it sucks 812W from the wall socket.

In your case a 650W PSU would be way more than enough.
Are you that retarded or am I that insightful? It's on the package how much it draws. There is a warning sticker on my 1000W PSU "warning! Socket on the wall needs to be able to deliver x or else y". You're full of shit. Unless you think that the company that actually makes PSU's knows less about their own PSU's than you do rofl.

[energyman]

highest load you almost never reach. No, wrong, highest load you do never reach.

But the average laod your box stays in most of the time is freaking inefficient. And even if you are at max load - a 650W 80+ PSU would give you the same efficiency for a lot less money.

[Qaridarium]

so what? if you have a good case heat isn't a problem anyway. If the PSU is a quality part it is silent at 50 or 60% load too. So it does not matter that the PSU is 'cooler'. What matters is that he is wasting away money.

cooler means longer life time.

save money on life time or save money on pay power.

overall in my point of view everyone needs to kalkulate his own PSU..

on my box a 550watt PSU broke Yesterday now i order an 88% Goldplus 750watt PSU...

the 550watt was an LC-Power one not realy workstation ready and not realy ready for my system.

DualsockelF max 32gb ram max 2vga carts max 10 harddrives witout extre controlers.

with overclocking 300watt on CPU 300-400watt on VGA rest 100-150watt.

overall 700-800 watt-

why sould i buy an 300 watt PSU only becourse my normal workload is 150watt ?

[Qaridarium]

highest load you almost never reach. No, wrong, highest load you do never reach.

But the average laod your box stays in most of the time is freaking inefficient. And even if you are at max load - a 650W 80+ PSU would give you the same efficiency for a lot less money.

why sould i buy an 400watt PSU only to save energy for my 800watt consuming workstation's ??

[CNCFarraday]

why sould i buy an 400watt PSU only to save energy for my 800watt consuming workstation's ??

Does your workstation peak at 800W or that's the maximum rated output of your PSU and the components consume much less?

And vincent, stop calling other people retard or full of shit. You are the ignorant in this conversation. You are entitled to your own opinions, but when your opinions are based on commercials and rambo movies, they're not worth much. Read a fucking book, or if you hate books, especially "technical" ones, read on wikipedia some articles and get to understand HOW a PSU works, how AC/DC and power stepping is done and then come here and call us names.

If you actually knew what you are tlaking about, and not just blowing air out you ignorant ass you'd know that THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT POWER LOSS in the conversion process itself. Read a fucking book you stupid kid, and then come here with FACTS, facts that you learned and UNDERSTOOD.

No wonder you bought a 500E card. You are an ignorant moron. If you really had an ounce of brain in that head, you'd figure out yourself that buying a 100E card now and another 100E card 4 years later would give you the same performance at less that half the investment. Also, you rushed in and bought the most expensive card you could find, probably to complement you e-penis. I have a 100E ATi card that runs FarCry2 at 1680x1050, full anti-aliasing and effects with no problems. 4 Years from now, assuming that all games aren't retarded console ports shit from EA, I'll buy a 4870x2 like your own, second hand at 50E tops.

[Qaridarium]

Does your workstation peak at 800W or that's the maximum rated output of your PSU and the components consume much less?



No wonder you bought a 500E card. You are an ignorant moron. If you really had an ounce of brain in that head, you'd figure out yourself that buying a 100E card now and another 100E card 4 years later would give you the same performance at less that half the investment. Also, you rushed in and bought the most expensive card you could find, probably to complement you e-penis. I have a 100E ATi card that runs FarCry2 at 1680x1050, full anti-aliasing and effects with no problems. 4 Years from now, assuming that all games aren't retarded console ports shit from EA, I'll buy a 4870x2 like your own, second hand at 50E tops.

"Does your workstation peak at 800W "

with all componennts 2 peaces of cpu 8 peaces of ram 10 peaces of hdds 2 peaces of VGAs dvd drive its the "peak" and your PSU sould handle this.

"second hand at 50E tops"

thats true 2 years ago i buy an 200€ cart this year i buy an 100€ cart and there is no need for an 50€ cart...

in my Point of view there is only 1 game for an 5870 300€ cart --> ArmA2... (realy crysis is only an grafic demo.)

[V!NCENT]

And vincent, stop calling other people retard or full of shit. You are the ignorant in this conversation. You are entitled to your own opinions, but when your opinions are based on commercials and rambo movies, they're not worth much. Read a fucking book, or if you hate books, especially "technical" ones, read on wikipedia some articles and get to understand HOW a PSU works, how AC/DC and power stepping is done and then come here and call us names.
Yeah because I am doing an education right now that's related to electricity and technology.

If you actually knew what you are tlaking about, and not just blowing air out you ignorant ass you'd know that THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT POWER LOSS in the conversion process itself. Read a fucking book you stupid kid, and then come here with FACTS, facts that you learned and UNDERSTOOD.
Yeah I know there is a power loss in the conversation process. I have totally not said this a million times. What are you trying to say here?

No wonder you bought a 500E card. You are an ignorant moron. If you really had an ounce of brain in that head, you'd figure out yourself that buying a 100E card now and another 100E card 4 years later would give you the same performance at less that half the investment.
First of all, your calling names too. Just funny to note that. Secondly I bought that card because a 100E card can't play GTA4 on max, for example :) So what does that say?

Also, you rushed in and bought the most expensive card you could find, probably to complement you e-penis.
I already gave four reasons why I bought it. Maybe you're the one who should read first and comment later.

I have a 100E ATi card that runs FarCry2 at 1680x1050, full anti-aliasing and effects with no problems. 4 Years from now, assuming that all games aren't retarded console ports shit from EA, I'll buy a 4870x2 like your own, second hand at 50E tops.
Cool. What about Colin McRae Dirt, GTA4, Brothers In Arms; Hell's Highway, Red Alert 3, Race Driver; GRID and Unreal Tournament 3? Yeah thought so too.

So come back to me if you have something to say, OK?

[nanonyme]

First of all, your calling names too. Just funny to note that. Secondly I bought that card because a 100E card can't play GTA4 on max, for example :) So what does that say?Mostly that you value games pretty damn high. :)

[V!NCENT]

Mostly that you value games pretty damn high. :)
Yeah I know. Damn Windows only games >.< I am working on a solution for that, but first I have to have OpenCL support for my ATI card :') >.<

PS: But OpenCL is not a priority. Please fix and polish what is broken now before implementing new stuff >.<

[nanonyme]

I mostly meant: 500E is a huge pile of money. If you buy a single hardware piece with that amount of money only to play games, you must value games pretty damn high. Irregardless of the operating system.

[energyman]

cooler means longer life time.

save money on life time or save money on pay power.


my 363W cpu that powered a 250W box for several years is still going strong.
If you want a long lifetime, don't buy crap. Buy a quality psu (that also means: no antec).

[energyman]

"Does your workstation peak at 800W "

with all componennts 2 peaces of cpu 8 peaces of ram 10 peaces of hdds 2 peaces of VGAs dvd drive its the "peak" and your PSU sould handle this.


what cpu? and rum takes what - 4W/stick? 6W? less?

HDDs are ~12W max. So even if all hdds are maxed out at the same time AND your cpus AND your graphics cards AND your ram AND your other devices (aka stupid secnario that will never happen), you still don't consume 1000W. Or 800.

120W hdds
280W cpu
300W graphics
20W mobo (yes, it is really that low)
a bit for usb
a bot for other crap

750W. Very generously. And to reach that you have to overload the system to just get the meximum draw.

But as thermaltakes wattage calculator, which does give a too high result, have shown that Vincents PSU is way, way overblown.

Overblown means less effective
Overblown means money wasted.

[cutterjohn]

I've got a brand spanking new bug for you guys this time. Under Ubuntu the catalyst control center pretty much want to be launched as root to make ANY changes(didn't used to care), and the super user version is setup to look for a program(to grant root privileges, might be a script dunno since it doesn't exist) called amdxdg-su.

It's not found in the fglrx-amdcccle .deb pakacge that's built, so you might want to edit it to start with gksu. If you need an example right click on the menu bar at the top, pick edit menus then look at say synaptic package manager entry for an example, or ANY other app from the menu that asks for root password.

Come on AMD, this is a n00b's bug here...

[Silverthorn]

I've got a brand spanking new bug for you guys this time. Under Ubuntu the catalyst control center pretty much want to be launched as root to make ANY changes(didn't used to care), and the super user version is setup to look for a program(to grant root privileges, might be a script dunno since it doesn't exist) called amdxdg-su.

It's not found in the fglrx-amdcccle .deb pakacge that's built, so you might want to edit it to start with gksu. If you need an example right click on the menu bar at the top, pick edit menus then look at say synaptic package manager entry for an example, or ANY other app from the menu that asks for root password.

Come on AMD, this is a n00b's bug here...

I encountered no such bug but I was a bit surprised by the need for superuser to configure my monitors.

[V!NCENT]

I mostly meant: 500E is a huge pile of money. If you buy a single hardware piece with that amount of money only to play games, you must value games pretty damn high. Irregardless of the operating system.
Hahaha normally yes :) But I wanted to upgrade my entire PC for a 1000 euro's (that's kinda normal isn't it?) and in combination with the insanely cheap RAM prices and AMD CPU's I could afford that card with a budget of a 1000 euro's. And I plan to use it for 6 years, so ;)

[cutterjohn]

I encountered no such bug but I was a bit surprised by the need for superuser to configure my monitors.Well, a search of the entire drive revealed no binary/script/any sort of file called "amdxdg-su".

Inspecting the .640 built packages by running sh ./ati-<whatever it's called> --buildpkg Ubuntu/9.04 turned up no packages containing such a file.

9.7 and below ran catalyst control center w/o complaining as a user app.

9.8 catalyst control center started showing to make any changes, etc. must be run as administrator, run the super-user version. (Thet's been there for several versions now, but I've never needed to use it to make changes until 9.8)

So, all I can say is that you're likely using a different distro than I am, or you're using the automatic install which may install the additional file.


I just noticed in amdccle 9.7 & 8 package
/usr/share/applnk/amdccclesu.kdelnknm this is a red herring there is one for GNOME as well, and it's what specifies the amdxdg-su app or script...



I added http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1638

I'm frightened by their ticketing system though as it still thinks that 9.7 is the most recent catalyst, or it didn't give me a 9.8 version option when I picked the linux driver... I wonder how many thing never get fixed because they don't keep their QA stuff updated...

[mirv]

ati.cchtml.com is an unofficial bug reporting site. ATI generally keep an eye on it, however their main priority is with the in-house testing areas (if they can't replicate a bug on their own systems, they can't do much to fix it).

[nanonyme]

Hahaha normally yes :) But I wanted to upgrade my entire PC for a 1000 euro's (that's kinda normal isn't it?) and in combination with the insanely cheap RAM prices and AMD CPU's I could afford that card with a budget of a 1000 euro's. And I plan to use it for 6 years, so ;)My full upgrades rarely go over 600 euros and they tend to easily roll for 5 years or more. The only reason I'm upgrading now is my motherboard is breaking up. Seriously, 1000 euros is a lot unless it includes a full computer which has a monitor.

[cutterjohn]

ati.cchtml.com is an unofficial bug reporting site. ATI generally keep an eye on it, however their main priority is with the in-house testing areas (if they can't replicate a bug on their own systems, they can't do much to fix it).Didn't know that it wasn't an AMD thing, as bridgman had recommended that other users file bug reports there before.

Anyways, I filed this as a bug, as my build it clearly specifies that app/script to escalate privileges for ccc, yet it just does not exist...

I mean, this is a driver package that I downloaded from AMD directly, built the recommended --buildpkg <distro>/<version>, etc. It's a bug at least for Ubuntu 9.04 x86-64.

[V!NCENT]

My full upgrades rarely go over 600 euros and they tend to easily roll for 5 years or more. The only reason I'm upgrading now is my motherboard is breaking up. Seriously, 1000 euros is a lot unless it includes a full computer which has a monitor.
It depends on what you want. 600 euros can also be a shitload of money when you could have a fully supported and Linux preinstalled laptop with a Core2Duo and 4GB RAM and an Intel graphics card, WiFi, Bluetoot, 5.1 surround sound and all that jive for 500 euros.

I had a 32bit AMD Athlon 2800 XP+, 1GB RAM and a Radeon 9800pro (r3xx) and that could easily still run everything including UT3 on medium settings, but stuff got a little slow, it wasn't that responsive anymore (not multicore) with KDE4 and desktop effects. So I thought about needing an upgrade so that everything out there today would run as fast and great as software did back in the day that I bought my 2800+.

And what the hell: I have learned that the more money you spend on your pc, the longer you can do with it per euro spend. Of cource spending too much money on a pc makes the lifetime shorter per euro spend. It all about graphs and mathematics ;)

[lordmozilla]

Of cource spending too much money on a pc makes the lifetime shorter per euro spend. It all about graphs and mathematics ;)

I would say its more to do with how much time you spend on sites advertising - i mean reviewing - PC hardware...

Since when is 1000 dollars alot for a pc? Thats just how much you are willing to pay for it.

[nanonyme]

Since when is 1000 dollars alot for a pc? Thats just how much you are willing to pay for it.About 1400 dollars, actually. Do remember the money exchange rate hasn't been 1:1 for quite some time.

[mirv]

Interesting how the catalyst 9.8 thread has turned into a discussion of currency exchange rates....or perhaps I'm just tired an easily amused at the moment.

[Qaridarium]

Interesting how the catalyst 9.8 thread has turned into a discussion of currency exchange rates....or perhaps I'm just tired an easily amused at the moment.

hey its only because the catalyst is perfekt no bug or error to report also lets talk abaut money or sex or somthing like that ;)

[V!NCENT]

hey its only because the catalyst is perfekt no bug or error to report also lets talk abaut money or sex or somthing like that ;)
Hahaha yes. It would be a first, but I would like it ^^, Radio: "I'm easy like sunday morning"

@LordMozilla: OK so now I am an online hardware reviewer/advertiser on teh Phoronix forums. Errrr Phoronix itself is a hardware review site, so you might want to rethink that post ;) xD

1000 euro's for hardware here is about what you would get for a 1000 dollars in the US. Doesn't relly make a difference, unless you import of course ;)

But most people do 3 years with their 600E pc; I do 6 years with my 1000E hardware. And if I have to and if I don't have the money for it at that time then I can easily do longer with that hardware. Computers and are also (among other things) my hobby and hobbies, guess what, cost money. Simple as that. Everybody can buy a Pentrium 3 box, run fluxbox, firefox, OO.o and Microsoft Office 2003 under Wine for 100E and a 17" flatscreen, keyboard and mouse for 100E extra. So none of anybody's shit heres makes any sence. I felt my computer couldn't handle stuff as fast as I wanted, so I upgraded. Can we please stop about this particular thing/annoyance?

[energyman]

no Vincent, not anymore. Smart buying and you get more for 1000€ then for 1000$

[V!NCENT]

no Vincent, not anymore. Smart buying and you get more for 1000€ then for 1000$
Ow no; companies usually do $1=€1 with pricing =x

[energyman]

not anymore. Dollar is too weak ;)

[energyman]

the phenom 2 965 costs 230$ - or 200€ for example

[ObiWan]

999 USD without VAT = 999 EUR wit VAT

Thats the normal exchange price

[jntesteves]

hey its only because the catalyst is perfekt no bug or error to report also lets talk abaut money or sex or somthing like that ;)

Not really true. All the problems with video are gone on my HD3450 R6xx. BUT this is the most buggy version of this driver I have ever used. Texture corruption on several games. Especially with Wine. I was about to send a bug to Wine, but I tried rolling back Wine versions to find out that the problem wasn't really with the Wine update. I find corruption on Flatout2 and Trackmania Nations under Wine and one native app, but I don't remember which one right now. Lots of games installed here. xP

Edit: Almost forgot, Ubuntu 9.04 x86_64, Linux 2.6.28-15, X 1.6.0. Supposed to be supported, I think.

[Qaridarium]

Not really true. All the problems with video are gone on my HD3450 R6xx. BUT this is the most buggy version of this driver I have ever used. Texture corruption on several games. Especially with Wine. I was about to send a bug to Wine, but I tried rolling back Wine versions to find out that the problem wasn't really with the Wine update. I find corruption on Flatout2 and Trackmania Nations under Wine and one native app, but I don't remember which one right now. Lots of games installed here. xP

Edit: Almost forgot, Ubuntu 9.04 x86_64, Linux 2.6.28-15, X 1.6.0. Supposed to be supported, I think.

catalyst 9-8 has broken openGL extansions effektet in wine.

9.9 catalyst fix the shame!

[GreekGeek]

Hi all,

I hope it finally gives a boost to video-playback too!

I finally sold my 4870. If the 5870 does not have propa vid supports, like the nVida series, I will purchase a GTX-275.

ATI hardware is grand indeed, but the spend on drivers isn't; not that this has not been covered before.... ;-)

GreekGeek

[CNCFarraday]

999 USD without VAT = 999 EUR wit VAT

Thats the normal exchange price

You know Europe is a continent not a country, right? The VAT in EU countries varies wildly from 16% to 36%...

[CNCFarraday]

Hi all,
I hope it finally gives a boost to video-playback too!

I finally sold my 4870. If the 5870 does not have propa vid supports, like the nVida series, I will purchase a GTX-275.

ATI hardware is grand indeed, but the spend on drivers isn't; not that this has not been covered before.... ;-)


What is "propa vid supports" exactly? I can see 1080p x264/DTS MKVs on a 2.5GHz Athlon X2 with 4GB ram and an integrated Radeon 3200 (latest fglrx blob) on Debian AMD64 kernel .26 / VLC 1.0.1 ... Oh, an I also tried it on SuSe 11 AMD64, same VLC, same hardware and it works...

[Qaridarium]

Hi all,

I hope it finally gives a boost to video-playback too!

I finally sold my 4870. If the 5870 does not have propa vid supports, like the nVida series, I will purchase a GTX-275.

ATI hardware is grand indeed, but the spend on drivers isn't; not that this has not been covered before.... ;-)

GreekGeek

full opensource and spec support for the UVD3 unit will come on the R900 series VGAs!

5870 is R800 ....

in my point of view.. don't buy nvidia hardware!

[Kano]

Don't buy it if you like problems ;)

[mirv]

Interestingly enough, in the thread on asking nvidia devs questions, half of it is "why are your drivers so shit?".
People just love to whinge.

[Qaridarium]

Don't buy it if you like problems ;)

wait for R900 hardware with full spec on the viedeo part..

is not the way go get problems.

[RealNC]

wait for R900 hardware with full spec on the viedeo part..

Will you buy one and send it to me?

[cutterjohn]

catalyst 9-8 has broken openGL extansions effektet in wine.

9.9 catalyst fix the shame!I hate to say this Quaridarium, but have you ever thought of using an English dicitonary? It's perfect, NOT "perfekt", extensions, NOT "extansions", etc. and no freaking idea what you mean by "effektet". i.e. you're making the World of Gothic English forums look good...

I'm still awaiting a decent catalyst since 9.2 here... and I've found that Windows support while MUCH better isn;t all that hot either...

[Qaridarium]

Will you buy one and send it to me?

you can'T buy an R900 cart ;)

[Qaridarium]

I hate to say this Quaridarium, but have you ever thought of using an English dicitonary? It's perfect, NOT "perfekt", extensions, NOT "extansions", etc. and no freaking idea what you mean by "effektet". i.e. you're making the World of Gothic English forums look good...

I'm still awaiting a decent catalyst since 9.2 here... and I've found that Windows support while MUCH better isn;t all that hot either...

I work on my English skill and yes i now use an English dictionary.

perfect yes i know it.. but my German brainwashed head is kkkkkk alll the time because German "Perfekt" is the german word for the English perfect. realy sorry !

"effektet" you can see the effect of the bug in wine.

wine 1.1.29 fix some oblivion sound problem but if you use windows dll's there was no problem before. Catalyst 9.9 should fix the rest of the bugs. after that only the speed is the problem openGL3.2 fix this.

[ZedDB]

BTW I noticed that Vsync now works buy enabling it ingame and not force it on in CCC like you had to do before! Perhaps it was fixed in an earlier release but this is new for me at least!

[forum1793]

"effektet" you can see the effect of the bug in wine.

You should definitely keep the bugs out of your wine. And we understand. Too much wine or beer can have interesting efekt.

You, of course, speak (type) much better English than most of us do German. Now is time for us to practice. I want a grosses bier. You can see I have much more practicing to do.

[GreekGeek]

Hi all,

I've been busy offline....

@ CNCFarraday, re ""propa vid supports" exactly?"

Here is some linkage, to an local article by Michael.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzM2OA

That is what I and some few others have been waiting for. Now, I do recall, someplace hereabout Bridgeman (correct me if I'm wrong! :-) ), saything something like ATI would not fully support XvBA, cause of the way the hardware was done and its tie into a bain of the civilized world, Digital Rights Management or DRM.

Hence, it is my hope, the new chippes, are cooked right.

@ Qaridarium; who said "full opensource and spec support for the UVD3 unit will come on the R900 series VGAs!" Well my German friend, I surely hope so! :-)

Waits for the party to begin: http://www.amdzone.com/index.php/news/overclocking/11982-hang-with-me-and-amd-at-the-uss-hornet-in-san-francisco-you-could-win-something

*BFN*

GreekGeek :-)
(On ATI since 2002/9000Pro)

[tball]

You should definitely keep the bugs out of your wine. And we understand. Too much wine or beer can have interesting efekt.

You, of course, speak (type) much better English than most of us do German. Now is time for us to practice. I want a grosses bier. You can see I have much more practicing to do.

I though you learned english in school, like we do in Denmark?

[energyman]

I though you learned english in school, like we do in Denmark?

and the stuff you learn in school helps you as much as nothing.

I learnt more in 1year internet+films unsubbed than in 7 years in school.

[V!NCENT]

and the stuff you learn in school helps you as much as nothing.

I learnt more in 1year internet+films unsubbed than in 7 years in school.
Hahahah yeah too right! :D xD
"Do you like meatballs?" is about as far as Enlgish lessens go (even on havo which stands for higher general continued (highschool) education). I had to learn everything for movies and computers.
Still not perfect though, but I'm getting there ;)