Korona Brings KDE 4.3 To OpenSolaris [Archive]

phoronix

08-18-2009, 11:50 AM

Phoronix: Korona Brings KDE 4.3 To OpenSolaris

While Sun Microsystems puts their weight behind the GNOME desktop environment for Solaris and OpenSolaris, there are developers that do work on providing a quality experience for KDE on OpenSolaris. However, getting KDE to run on a clean OpenSolaris installation can require building KDE from source and taking various other steps. Fortunately, for KDE fans, there is now the Korona distribution, which brings KDE 4.3 as the default desktop environment to an OpenSolaris stack.

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=14117

RealNC

08-18-2009, 11:54 AM

Hmm, it looks butt-ugly. I suppose the widget styles (Oxygen, etc) won't work yet?

filip007

08-18-2009, 12:10 PM

That's great idea, KDE is crash Titanic that's for sure but on Solaris can run hardcore stable or maybe not :p:confused:

bulletxt

08-18-2009, 01:10 PM

That's great idea, KDE is crash Titanic that's for sure but on Solaris can run hardcore stable or maybe not :p:confused:

I think people should really stop with this "kde crash" bullshit. Maybe you are referring to kde4, but kde 4.3 is stable considering it's age. Don't forget both kde3 and gnome 2 are very very very old so it would be crazy to pretend that kde4 is stable like them.... oh, and I hope you weren't talking about kde3..

filip007

08-18-2009, 01:25 PM

I had with Kubuntu live cd crash very soon on my laptop with 9600mGT so i don't use KDE it looks like Vista not thanks.

bugmenot

08-18-2009, 01:31 PM

All this duplication of effort is annoying.

bulletxt

08-18-2009, 01:56 PM

I had with Kubuntu live cd crash very soon on my laptop with 9600mGT so i don't use KDE it looks like Vista not thanks.

Lol it has got nothing to do with Vista UI... I wonder where you see they look the same... oh well... be happy with your Mono apps then.

vermaden

08-18-2009, 02:14 PM

smitty3268

08-18-2009, 02:31 PM

@filip007: kde4.3 is very stable, and your complaint about looking like vista is out of date. Nowadays, it's all the rage to say KDE is a copy of Windows 7, not Vista... Not that they really look anything alike in my opinion.

However, the Solaris port of KDE is still very experimental, so i would expect plenty of crashes and missing functionality from this distro.

@vermaden: dear god that's an ugly font (title bars/task bar font, i mean). KDE developers have absolutely no control over what fonts a distro decides to use, by the way.

RealNC

08-18-2009, 02:33 PM

Another flame thread due to Gnome-trolls.

Ant P.

08-18-2009, 02:36 PM

Lol it has got nothing to do with Vista UI... I wonder where you see they look the same... oh well... be happy with your Mono apps then.

But it has everything to do with the Windows 7 UI - Microsoft stole everything they could find, right down to KDE's calculator!

panda84

08-18-2009, 02:41 PM

What a MESS with font rendering, they look like shit:
When KDE developers will learn this?

Probably before you'll learn proper english. :p

By the way KDE fonts are fine for me in Linux and Windows, so guess who's to blame...

Uh, and search for Kubuntu in this and several other forums. You'll get how good is their implementation. Try Arch or Slackware. If you're able to, of course.

vermaden

08-18-2009, 03:46 PM

KDE developers have absolutely no control over what fonts a distro decides to use, by the way.

Its not a matter of different fonts, its just how they are RENDERED mate, and yes, it looks the same crappy on Linux and PC-BSD, its not OpenSolaris fault.

Probably before you'll learn proper english. :p
English is not my native language, but I'm doing my best ;)

You can sent me PM containing my post, but corrected to proper english.

By the way KDE fonts are fine for me in Linux and Windows, so guess who's to blame...

I have seen similar cripled fonts on Linux and PC-BSD, but I havent used KDE on Windows.

Uh, and search for Kubuntu in this and several other forums. You'll get how good is their implementation. Try Arch or Slackware. If you're able to, of course.

I stick to BSDs mostly and learning OpenSolaris from time to time, Linux is dissapointing me, I am tired of its mess geenrally.

RealNC

08-18-2009, 03:58 PM

Its not a matter of different fonts, its just how they are RENDERED mate, and yes, it looks the same crappy on Linux

No, they don't. They look very good on Linux and there's a ton of rendering configuration options so they render how the user wants.

But has nothing to do with KDE of course. That stuff is in freetype and cairo.

smitty3268

08-18-2009, 04:42 PM

Its not a matter of different fonts, its just how they are RENDERED mate

Right, which is determined by the way the distro decides to setup it's font related packages, like freetype. Nothing to do with KDE.

clavko

08-18-2009, 04:49 PM

This is how it SHOULD look like: ...

While I agree that Korona exhibits some really poor font rendering
probably due to antialiasing turned off, it's not as if you should
be particularly proud with yours, also. FYI, this is how a decent
font rendering should look (and yes, it's your favourite KDE):

http://i27.tinypic.com/38orl.png

DDevine

08-18-2009, 06:27 PM

I had with Kubuntu live cd crash very soon on my laptop with 9600mGT so i don't use KDE it looks like Vista not thanks.

Kubuntu is the worst distro available (buggy KDE implementation, buggy Ubuntu packages fanning the fire). I'm not surprised it crashed. Try any other distro with KDE (Debian, Fedora, OpenSuSE) and you should be pleasantly surprised.
Change the theme if you don't want it to "look like Vista" (which as of 4.3 it doesn't).

KDE4 has matured VERY fast for it's age because of the excellent community around it - 4.2 was the first usable release and 4.3 is the polished version of 4.2 with a few extras thrown in. I think the rest of the features should be ported from KDE 3.5 by about ~KDE4.6.

It seems the "4.0 not for daily use!" message still hasn't reached some ears.

IMO - KDE 4's newest release beats the hell out of any desktop environment available including Vista, Win 7 and Mac OSX.

deanjo

08-18-2009, 07:25 PM

IMO - KDE 4's newest release beats the hell out of any desktop environment available including Vista, Win 7 and Mac OSX.

For you yes it probably does everything you need but everyone has different uses. For example I couldn't in good conscience recommend really any desktop in linux to a person who needs accessibility tools. OS X pretty much skins everything else out there "out of the box" for the visually impaired for one such example.

DDevine

08-18-2009, 07:42 PM

smitty3268

08-18-2009, 07:45 PM

nanonyme

08-18-2009, 07:46 PM

All this duplication of effort is annoying.Meh, it's not as if you had to do twice the effort. Who are you to complain if other people don't all want to do what you want when you don't pay them?

deanjo

08-18-2009, 07:57 PM

Are you sure? There is lots of quality accessibility tools for Gnome (not so sure about KDE, but maybe cross compatible) last time I heard this topic discussed (on Linux Outlaws, who also assumed that Linux lacked these tools - which according to multiple replies it does not).

Very sure, have you ever tried to support a legally blind person with the only other person being completely blind, from installation and troubleshooting to full usage? Voice Over as well as it's speech recognition far exceed any other linux desktop accessibility tools. Not to mention it handles pretty much every braille display known to man. It goes far beyond the basic zoom features found in gnome (not to mention the aweful sounding espeak that gnome-speech uses).

cruiseoveride

08-18-2009, 09:44 PM

who da fooooooooooooooook use solaris huh?

DDevine

08-18-2009, 09:49 PM

who da fooooooooooooooook use solaris huh?

Solaris is used in File Storage (because of ZFS), data processing (because it is strong in this area and has Ztrace for finding bugs and bottle-necks) and is also very secure. It is also the best OS for Sun hardware.

energyman

08-18-2009, 10:29 PM

What a MESS with font rendering, they look like shit:
http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=korona_opensolaris_kde&image=korona_kde43_1_lrg

When KDE developers will learn this?

This is how it SHOULD look like:
http://strony.toya.net.pl/~vermaden/gfx/hintstyle_0.png

@filip007

Some people call KDE4 "Open Source Vista" ;)

font rendering is nothing KDE can do about. That is done by xorg an fontconfig and other stuff. But thanks for reminding everyone that you don't know anything you talk about.If fonts look ugly complain to Sun. Or even better - complain to american corrupt politicians who made it possible to patent software.

for the 'kubuntu live cd' guy: complain to canonical. Kubuntu sucks. Everybody knows that. So what? Don't use kubuntu. Use a distribution where KDE is not tortured with bad patches.

Also, Vista? Are you kidding me? If you had said 'I prefer gnome, because it looks almost like Windows ME' well, that would have been a lot more believable.

energyman

08-18-2009, 10:30 PM

Another flame thread due to Gnome-trolls.

who are the lowest life form on this planet.

filip007

08-18-2009, 11:08 PM

@smitty3268 Are you sure about that i can crash it in 5 minutes if i want.
OK Kubuntu is build around 4.2 so it's 4.3 very better.

smitty3268

08-18-2009, 11:11 PM

@smitty3268 Are you sure about that i can crash it in 5 minutes if i want.

Kubuntu, you mean? Or KDE? Cause they're different.

Edit: Yes, I mean 4.3 is solid. 4.2 was still a little shaky in comparison.

filip007

08-18-2009, 11:20 PM

Don't post something that can't be answer to...Kubuntu,KDE,OpenSuse...
Kubuntu with KDE 4.3 will come out on end of October.

deanjo

08-18-2009, 11:59 PM

Don't post something that can't be answer to...Kubuntu,KDE,OpenSuse...
Kubuntu with KDE 4.3 will come out on end of October.

Why not, openSUSE's 11.1 KDE was fine @ 4.1, further improved by updating to 4.2 and with 4.3 is solid. You do not need a updated distro to test the later versions of KDE. You simply have to install the latest packages from each distro.

Kubuntu:

http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3

openSUSE:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

panda84

08-19-2009, 03:32 AM

I think this is something that KDE does lack, it seems like I heard of an effort a while ago to support the same API Gnome was using inside QT, but I don't know what the status of that is. Hopefully the Gnome tools will work with KDE soon.

http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-accessibility&m=124905660802716&w=2
http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2009-August/003286.html

panda84

08-19-2009, 04:12 AM

English is not my native language, but I'm doing my best ;)

Of course I was not blaming you for your english. I'm non-native speaker too, so I know how difficult it is to learn a new language.

That was just to say: if you can admit you ignore some things about english you can admit you ignore some of the internals of fonts rendering too...

hajma

08-21-2009, 05:57 PM

Hmm, it looks butt-ugly. I suppose the widget styles (Oxygen, etc) won't work yet?

Hi, here's the Korona author speaking :-)
What you see is KDE default theme, Korona's KDE has zero adjustments from defaults, its just OpenSolaris plus KDE packages and autologin set to KDE, nothing else. Deciding on the ugliness of the default theme is pretty subjective, but I don't particularly like it too.
The widget styles work just fine, it takes two-three clicks to change it.

hajma

08-21-2009, 06:04 PM

What a MESS with font rendering, they look like shit:

When KDE developers will learn this?

Hi, this is Korona's author here.
By default, font aliasing is set to system's settings, but somehow it fails to share the gnome settings and is turned off. We haven't investigated it much, since it only takes two clicks to turn it on.
You can check the known issues at http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Solaris/OpenSolaris/Status

We've reached the point when we're able to build vast majority of KDE only recently, so only now we're turning to investigate the crashes and other issues.

RealNC

08-21-2009, 06:35 PM

Hi, here's the Korona author speaking :-)
What you see is KDE default theme, Korona's KDE has zero adjustments from defaults, its just OpenSolaris plus KDE packages and autologin set to KDE, nothing else. Deciding on the ugliness of the default theme is pretty subjective, but I don't particularly like it too.
The widget styles work just fine, it takes two-three clicks to change it.

Actually, the default style is Oxygen and the default Plasma theme is Air. So I guess you're doing something wrong.

krazy

08-22-2009, 12:15 AM

Actually, the default style is Oxygen and the default Plasma theme is Air. So I guess you're doing something wrong.

WTF are you talking about? That's what's shown in the screenshots.

RealNC

08-22-2009, 12:33 AM

WTF are you talking about? That's what's shown in the screenshots.

Edit:
No wait, that's Firefox, lol. I didn't notice. I got so used to my Firefox looking nice that I totally forgot about it looking like ass without a KDE-friendly Gtk style.

kraftman

08-22-2009, 03:45 AM

Uh, and search for Kubuntu in this and several other forums. You'll get how good is their implementation. Try Arch or Slackware. If you're able to, of course.

I always repeat - Kubuntu's KDE is buggy compared to Arch.

@Vermaden

I stick to BSDs mostly and learning OpenSolaris from time to time, Linux is dissapointing me, I am tired of its mess geenrally.Who's interested? I'm tired of BSD and OpenSolaris mess and they're disappointing me, but who cares? Wanna another flame?! Grow up...

vermaden

08-22-2009, 04:05 AM

@kraftman

To paraphrase your post:

Who's interested? I'm tired of Linux mess and its disappointing me, but who cares? Wanna another flame?! Grow up...

kraftman

08-22-2009, 04:24 AM

@kraftman

To paraphrase your post:

Who's interested? I'm tired of Linux mess and its disappointing me, but who cares? Wanna another flame?! Grow up...

You've got the point ;)

lordmozilla

08-24-2009, 06:23 PM

[QUOTE=kraftman;88413]I always repeat - Kubuntu's KDE is buggy compared to Arch./QUOTE]

Anyone who has used ubuntu and installed kubuntu will releasise that ubuntu devs are gnome trolls. They manage to make KDE4 absolutely horrible. Its nothing to do with KDE versioning, but their patchingof patching and their belief their patches are way better than kde's team patches. Opensuse managed to make it look as crap as gnome, and well arch didnt change anything, so its as intended!

A little message to the english idiots on these forums. Chill out, think before you speak, not everyone is english, so be nice? If you really care correct the english but dont attack it. You ever made an effort to speak another language on the internet?

krazy

08-24-2009, 09:25 PM

I always repeat - Kubuntu's KDE is buggy compared to Arch.

What bugs have you run into on Kubuntu that aren't visible on Arch?

energyman

08-25-2009, 12:54 AM

fucked up localization?

kraftman

08-26-2009, 03:50 AM

fucked up localization?

Exactly (the most annoying in my opinion) and some more - Dolphin crashes when I want to see the root partition properties and windows don't stay maximized.

@Lordmozilla

Anyone who has used ubuntu and installed kubuntu will releasise that ubuntu devs are gnome trolls. They manage to make KDE4 absolutely horrible. Its nothing to do with KDE versioning, but their patchingof patching and their belief their patches are way better than kde's team patches. Opensuse managed to make it look as crap as gnome, and well arch didnt change anything, so its as intended!

I have very similar feeling.

panda84

08-26-2009, 08:51 AM

A little message to the english idiots on these forums. Chill out, think before you speak, not everyone is english, so be nice? If you really care correct the english but dont attack it. You ever made an effort to speak another language on the internet?
I think you're referring to my post (if not, please tell me), but I think you missed my reply:
Of course I was not blaming you for your english. I'm non-native speaker too, so I know how difficult it is to learn a new language.

That was just to say: if you can admit you ignore some things about english you can admit you ignore some of the internals of fonts rendering too...

energyman

08-26-2009, 12:43 PM

seriously, if you want a good KDE experience use one of the following:
opensuse
slackware
gentoo
maybe arch
maybe sidux

stay the hell away from crap like fedora and eschew kubuntu. Kubuntu manages to make kde worse. And they have to do a lot of work to break all the stuff they do.

krazy

08-26-2009, 01:02 PM

Exactly (the most annoying in my opinion) and some more - Dolphin crashes when I want to see the root partition properties and windows don't stay maximized.
Hmm, I'm a native english speaker, so I guess I haven't seen any localisation issues in kubuntu, but the maximised windows thing is pretty major - is there a bug report or steps to reproduce?
stay the hell away from crap like fedora and eschew kubuntu. Kubuntu manages to make kde worse. And they have to do a lot of work to break all the stuff they do.
Apart from localisation, what other stuff is there. Can you point me to some bug reports or something - I'd like to have a go at some patches :).

energyman

08-26-2009, 01:15 PM

just install a distribution with good kde and see the difference for yourself ;)

kubuntu's kde is crashy, everybody's else is not.

deanjo

08-26-2009, 01:33 PM

krazy

08-26-2009, 01:51 PM

just install a distribution with good kde and see the difference for yourself ;)

kubuntu's kde is crashy, everybody's else is not.
I've tried opensuse too - neither it nor kubuntu has been crashy. That's the advantage of choice I guess.

energyman

08-26-2009, 01:55 PM

you missed mandriva.;)

oh yeah. Sorry.

panda84

08-26-2009, 02:39 PM

Can you point me to some bug reports or something - I'd like to have a go at some patches :).
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204058

krazy

08-26-2009, 08:46 PM

http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204058
Thanks. [stupid minimum word post limit]

energyman

08-26-2009, 08:51 PM

oooh... just as I wanted to reply to your original post, you edit it....

krazy

08-26-2009, 10:48 PM

oooh... just as I wanted to reply to your original post, you edit it....
haha yeah my bad ;)

kraftman

08-27-2009, 03:48 AM

Hmm, I'm a native english speaker, so I guess I haven't seen any localisation issues in kubuntu, but the maximised windows thing is pretty major - is there a bug report or steps to reproduce?

I posted a bug report about localisation issues, but nobody's interested (even showed them screenshots). About second part, just maximize KTorrent, hide it by clicking on its tray icon, click one more time to bring it up - won't be maximized. I didn't use Kubuntu for some time, so maybe it's already fixed.

Here's similar bug report (it seems it's not only Kubuntu problem):

https://bugs.launchpad.net/homebank/+bug/331113

krazy

08-27-2009, 04:42 AM

Ktorrent seems to work now.

kraftman

08-27-2009, 04:46 AM

Ktorrent seems to work now.

That's good. :) If they fix localisations it will be perfect ;)

panda84

08-27-2009, 10:17 AM

That's good. :) If they fix localisations it will be perfect ;)

Article about localization problems in Kubuntu:
http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/04/facts-about-rosetta-and-kubuntu-l10n.html

Article about Kubuntu being a "second class citizen":
http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/09/sometimes-i-am-feeling-loved.html

kraftman

08-27-2009, 11:21 AM

Article about localization problems in Kubuntu:
http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/04/facts-about-rosetta-and-kubuntu-l10n.html

Thank you. This is interesting.

Article about Kubuntu being a "second class citizen":
http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/09/sometimes-i-am-feeling-loved.html

In this case I just did:

sudo aptitude --without-recommends install firefox :> however, quite annoying.