Name The Next ATI Driver Contest (2007) [Archive] - Page 2

fragro

08-24-2007, 08:06 PM

8.41 "Another Vesa Implementation with Video Output"
8.42 "Features Impossible" ... directed by John Doe
8.43 "Rush Hour 3ver" [dreiver]
8.44 "Die Hard 8.44.0"
8.45 "Transcoders - Powered by US Military Hackers!" ... Join AMD! (After Military Decruit) ... is this driver written in COBOL???
8.46 "Simpsons - The Driver ... Spider Bug!"
8.47 "Features Impossible 2" ... directed by John Doe
8.48 "The LinuX-Files ... the eerily cases of AMD"
8.49 "LOST"
8.50 "The Fantastic FOOL - Rise of the Silvercoder" ... when he arrives a driver dies!
8.51 "Starship Coders... BUUUUGS!" *With heroic Anthem!* :D
8.52 "Amd Made Drivers for All This Idiots!"
8.53 "Only two things are infinite, the universe and AMD/ATIs implementation process, and I'm not sure about the former" stolen and adapted from an very wise man! (thank you Albert!)
8.54 "Oops... i've too often played DRIVERS this month... next month perhaps!"
8.54 "F***in Graphic Libarys! Recycle X!"

d2kx

08-25-2007, 12:14 AM

8.41 - "We danced at the Loveparade"
8.42 - "We're still having flashbacks"
8.43 - "That trip was really good. We could see a working driver! Good shit."
8.44 - "Now we're working on it. Our code will be as clean as these weird pills we're using that make coding fun!"

edvin

08-26-2007, 04:55 PM

8.42: the ET: QW Linux client version

yoshi314

08-27-2007, 07:40 AM

8.41 - admin may cry
8.42 - we're switching to ubuntu release schedule

Svartalf

08-28-2007, 12:45 AM

8.41 - admin may cry

Shouldn't that be BOFH or PFY? >:-)

Svartalf

08-28-2007, 12:55 AM

8.41: "Proprietary is as Proprietary Does" Edition...

Malikith

08-28-2007, 07:39 AM

Since we can't really predict what we're gonna call each release, heres a pool of them I made up that can be used for any future release. Some are lame, some are decent, i'm just going with the flow.

1: Fool you once, shame on us, fool you twice, and we'll fool you again. No AIGLX.

2: Whats AIGLX? Don't you mean FGLRX?

3: We make up our bug fixes, they aren't actually real.

4: Dell wants us to support a thing called Linux, we do but we don't really know what it is.

5: ATI Linux Catalysts: We were drunk this month edition.

6: ATI Linux Catalysts: Still getting over the hangover edition.

7: New feature: Linux didn't have a blue screen of death, now it does.

8: We make Richard Simmons look straight edition.

9: Welcome AIGLX, and a thousand bugs for FGLRX.

10: Removal of ATI Brand name, it actually means Annoying Tech Ignorance. We are now just AMD.

I'll make more soon, maybe toss in some positive ones we can use, not just negatives hehe.

Michael

08-28-2007, 07:44 AM

You guys sure have no faith in the new Linux driver or AMD's other announcement...

Blaine

08-28-2007, 07:47 AM

I think next month's driver will be full of changes. Maybe something like:

8.41.-2 "Who needs R300 support anyway?"

Then the following driver will bring us the long expected new feature they have been working on for the last couple of months:

8.42.0 "Themable Control Center"

I am very happy that the X.org drivers work for my card!

Greetings

Svartalf

08-28-2007, 08:44 AM

You guys sure have no faith in the new Linux driver or AMD's other announcement...

Unfortunately for AMD, they bought a company that has consistently let us down.

First it was closing up everything when they were one of the first to GIVE us technical information to make a driver possible. The RAGE Pro and RAGE 128 were some of the first and best supported 3D cards in the early days. I know, I helped part of that happen.

Then it was drivers for the FireGL cards that sort of worked, weren't official, and sort of drove the other cards- when NVidia was providing largely working drivers.

Then it was "official" drivers that they really don't support all that much. For all the statements that they support Linux, not to denigrate the work they HAVE done for us, they do a less than half-hearted job at it. This isn't due to the people doing the work- they're largely top-notch. This is due to a group of upper management that think Linux is just a lark during earlier periods. Worse, the driver is mostly useless for people that have things like Hypermemory, they have to have boards that are in UMA mode or have totally dedicated memory- or you can forget running at all.

What you are seeing Michael, is the rage and frustration, being vented, from all of this and more. It's not that we don't believe that something's coming- it's that we've been told this repeatedly by the ATI people in the past. And, until they honestly deliver something other than just empty promises, I don't think we're going to take them much more seriously than they took us in the past.

Moustacha

08-28-2007, 09:03 AM

Like in WW1, "The war will be over by christmas!"...4 years later. The fglrx drivers are in much the same condition "We'll support R600/AIGLX by christmas!"...4 years later.

Michael

09-02-2007, 09:20 AM

Running out of new names for 8.41? :rolleyes:

d2kx

09-02-2007, 09:48 AM

8.41 - The still no AIGLX support-driver

Keep it simple.

lenrek

09-02-2007, 10:52 AM

8.41 - Who cares?

Moustacha

09-02-2007, 11:19 AM

8.41 - The good driver is the next one
8.42 - The good driver is the next one
8.43 - The good driver is the next one
8.44 - The good driver is the next one
8.45 - The good driver is the next one
8.46 - The good driver is the next one
8.47 - The good driver is the next one
8.48 - The good driver is the next one
8.49 - The good driver is the next one

Nicolas

09-02-2007, 12:44 PM

yoshi314

09-03-2007, 10:21 AM

8.41 - "the point of no return"
8.42 - "retreaaaaat!"
8.43 - "the no fps zone"

8.44 - "844 - the number of the flaw"

user5124

09-04-2007, 01:51 AM

Unfortunately for AMD, they bought a company that has consistently let us down.

<snip!>

What you are seeing Michael, is the rage and frustration, being vented, from all of this and more. It's not that we don't believe that something's coming- it's that we've been told this repeatedly by the ATI people in the past. And, until they honestly deliver something other than just empty promises, I don't think we're going to take them much more seriously than they took us in the past.

A very good, ACCURATE summary.

Malikith

09-04-2007, 04:32 PM

Running out of new names for 8.41? :rolleyes:

Nope, hehe. Some negatives and positives in here.

8.41: The day has finally come. AIGLX included.

8.41: We at ATI think AIGLX is evil.

8.41: We got everything you need, including overheating your card.

8.41: AIGLX included, as well as a bug that removes the whole /usr directory. Sorry.

8.41: We're running out of names. Straight to the point, it sucks.

8.41: ATI Catalysts: Open Source Edition.

8.41: Total burnout edition.

8.41: Monkey engineer edition.

8.41: 8.41 translated means nothing. Which means this driver offers nothing.

8.41: The complete turn around edition.

8.41: AIGLX on a bun.

I can make these all day haha.

Svartalf

09-04-2007, 06:06 PM

Svartalf

09-04-2007, 11:24 PM

With Michael taunting us like this, I have to wonder... Is 8.41 the first version number for the new codebase drivers or the last of the old ones?

With that in mind....

8.41 - Hell Just Froze Over Edition...

I stick by my pet name for this one- I didn't think they could get it straightened out enough to have even a rough-cut available by now. Trust me on that one.

I stand by my notebook purchase up to this point- and will remain skeptical for a long while at least; they disappointed us for so long as it was. Their silicon had the potential for this all along. They failed at that task and let most of us down as a result for the longest time. I had to buy a notebook with an NVidia GPU just to be able to do my 3D contract development work. They now have my attention; how long they have it, remains to be seen.

Malikith

09-05-2007, 01:11 AM

Well now that we know 8.41 is a good driver.. I guess we can come up with some nice names for it.

8.41: Everything you could want, except no AIGLX, batteries included.

8.41: ATI Catalysts: Go fast edition

8.41: The rival to the Windows driver has come.

8.41: A beginning of good things from ATI/AMD.

8.42: Back to 8.40 and under performance, trust us, its more stable! (Sorry I had to throw that in haha)

yoshi314

09-05-2007, 05:14 AM

8.41 - "benchmarks redone".
8.42 - "8.41 had stolen nvidia code. sorry about that"

d2kx

09-05-2007, 08:50 AM

8.41 - The still no AIGLX support-driver

As if I knew it.

Moustacha

09-05-2007, 10:20 AM

As if I knew it.

hehe, good premonition.

8.42 "AIGLX...LOL JK!!!111!!1"

yoshi314

09-05-2007, 12:07 PM

8.42 - "what took you so long edition?" :D (if aiglx gets in)

Svartalf

09-05-2007, 07:37 PM

As if I knew it.

That one was kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. :D

Malikith

09-12-2007, 09:09 PM

Now that 8.41 is out, I think the winner should be 8.41 "life is a one big betatest edition"

So what will 8.42 be? Positive? Negative? Heres my list:

8.42: AIGLX marching in, with 1 million other bugs.

8.42: You're lucky if X starts edition.

8.42: Crashes galore edition.

8.42: You thought we hyped up the last one too much? Wait till this one.

8.42: Finally it works edition.

8.42: More painful than a root canal edition

8.42: Time to crack the whip edition.

8.42: ATI Catalysts: Possessed by demons edition.

niniendowarrior

09-14-2007, 02:16 AM

8.42: Same turd, different skin.

Malikith

09-14-2007, 02:26 AM

8.42: Same turd, different skin.

Oh man.. I hope you're wrong haha.

Heres some more:

8.42: AMD Catalysts: Tasty edition

8.42: AMD Catalysts: Duke Nukem Forever Edition (Hahaha I hope you guys get that one)

8.42: To boldly go where no driver has gone before.

8.42: A few rights make a wrong edition.

Nicolas

09-14-2007, 12:49 PM

Oh man.. I hope you're wrong haha.
8.42: AMD Catalysts: Duke Nukem Forever Edition (Hahaha I hope you guys get that one)

Hey, that's mine! :D

But I think DNF edition should be something like 8.78.

Svartalf

09-14-2007, 04:06 PM

8.42: AMD Catalysts: Tasty edition

Don't ya mean "Nasty" there? >:-) :D

yoshi314

09-17-2007, 03:27 AM

8.42 - "black edition. like your display" :D

Svartalf

09-17-2007, 08:25 AM

8.42 - "Evolutionary Edition..."

DeepDayze

09-20-2007, 10:40 PM

8.42 - Disillusionary Edition ;)

mits

09-27-2007, 05:03 AM

8.42 Trick or Treat? Edition
Coming on Halloween!

Source Of Radiance

09-27-2007, 06:25 AM

8.42 - In soviet russia bugs fix you!

Svartalf

09-27-2007, 06:57 PM

8.42 - Disillusionary Edition ;)

ROFLMAO! That's hillarious.

Svartalf

09-27-2007, 07:02 PM

8.42 Trick or Treat? Edition
Coming on Halloween!

I'd rather take the Treat over them giving us the Trick.

It would be very nice if I could see stable performance on my R500 and R400 test parts. It might even restore my faith in 'em.

mits

09-27-2007, 07:17 PM

I'd rather take the Treat over them giving us the Trick.

It would be very nice if I could see stable performance on my R500 and R400 test parts. It might even restore my faith in 'em.

yeah, can't wait to have my brand new hd2600 sporting laptop do what my old desktop with a 5900xt does :D
(even smooth 2d would be welcome)
so...is it gonna be October?
then...

8.42: Making your ATI faster than Intel's GMA950!

niniendowarrior

09-28-2007, 07:08 AM

Hey, that's mine! :D

But I think DNF edition should be something like 8.78.

DNF can be argued to mean "Did Not Finish". :D

Christian_L

10-02-2007, 01:35 AM

8.42 - "Finally: The AI with jelly eggs edition"

We never understood why you wanted this, but here it is, anyway. The jelly is transparent, has some nice blur effects, and even wobbles if you move it. We still have to work a bit on the AI to keep it from randomly shuting down your computer, though.

What, you wanted a cube the size of your desktop? But you never told us about that!

Malikith

10-12-2007, 11:54 AM

8.42 - Motion Sickness Edition

We today at ATI/AMD have decided to release the 8.42 driver which supports Compiz Fusion. There are however, some unexpected issues with our binary drivers and Compiz. Do not spend too much time with Compiz if you are vulnerable to motion sickness.

Our drivers will make you sick for hours. Its like riding a marry-go-round spinning at 100 mph for 20 minutes. We are working very hard to correct the issue, the fix should be introduced in 8.43.

Sorry for the inconvenience, oh wait, we use that alot don't we?

I guess we're just sorry.

P.S. If you install 8.42 irregardless, make sure you supply yourself with a empty bucket.

Svartalf

10-25-2007, 09:01 AM

8.42 - Motion Sickness Edition

Heh... Apt name, considering the issues...

8.42 -- "What do you mean about "stable"? We finally gave you AIGLX? Just some people can't be made happy..."

Svartalf

10-25-2007, 09:02 AM

DNF can be argued to mean "Did Not Finish". :D

Yep. And THAT is apparently Apt too. :D

korpenkraxar

10-25-2007, 10:29 AM

8.42 - The baby is stillborn!

Karel

10-25-2007, 11:51 AM

8.42.3 - Die Wunderwaffe
8.42.3 - Too little, too late
8.42.3 - nVidia *still* years ahead
8.42.3 - You were told it works, so you lie if you complain

Svartalf

10-25-2007, 01:14 PM

8.42 - The baby is stillborn!

ROFLMAO! The truth's painful all the same. And, worse yet, I'd get myself in trouble (as if I wasn't
already in hot water with DevRel at this point... :D) if I named it what I really wanted to name it... >:-) :D

Karel

11-01-2007, 07:45 AM

8.43.? - Hype again?

Kano

11-01-2007, 08:22 AM

8.43.X - Good reason to buy a new 8800 GT instead ;)

Octoguy

11-05-2007, 11:16 AM

8.44 - The "Blah" Edition.

yoshi314

11-05-2007, 02:19 PM

8.44 - "codebase rollback edition" :]

korpenkraxar

11-05-2007, 02:27 PM

8.44 - "codebase rollback edition" :]

LOL! Thanx ;-)

metala

11-05-2007, 03:43 PM

8.43
Blazing nothing

Malikith

11-06-2007, 01:32 PM

8.43: Just shoot me.

Svartalf

11-06-2007, 03:50 PM

8.43: Just shoot me.

<BANG!!>

There...always more than happy to please...

(Which is, unfortunately, more than can be said for AMD- while they are trying very hard, they, like a poor marksman, keep missing the target... HEY! There's an idea...)

8.43 - The Poor Marksman Edition... >:-) :D

(I will keep saying this until it gets better or we get all the info and we do better ourselves- This is NOT the people that're working on this driver, it's that AMD hasn't staffed up from the debacle ATI has made for them!)

The_Monkey_King

11-06-2007, 04:21 PM

Since the last release came close to the end of the month, one can assume the same for November?

If so, they should release it on Friday, November 23 - 8.43 - Black Friday

sdlvx

11-06-2007, 07:20 PM

Ole-Martin Broz

11-07-2007, 01:18 AM

OKEy, STOP BALABLALBLAL nvidia got sucky performance, ati got good, its opposite in windows atm. so. either compiz or games.. decide, well ati got compiz ca.

metala

11-08-2007, 11:52 AM

2nd suggestion (if there are bug fixes regarding Compiz)
8.43 Compiz care
(similar to baby care)

klaus

11-08-2007, 01:46 PM

The Sleeping Rabbit Edition! :)

Svartalf

11-08-2007, 05:38 PM

8.43 - Everyone switches to 8800s and realizes NVIDIA drivers for 8800s suck just as much as ATIs drivers.

And I do own an 8800GTS and I do run linux on it, so I'm not a babbling idiot or raving fanbo(y)(t) or whatever.

Here's a reality check for you:

For the LARGE part, there is little advantage in the near to medium term to buying an 8800GTS over a 7900GTX card.

Why? Because you're not going to find a game operating under Linux in the next 3-6 months that will utilize the DX10 ARB extensions that the 8800 supplies in it's hardware.

Not under WINE. Not native.

If you're future proofing your rig, then yeah, it might not be a bad thing to consider it. It's my understanding that they're getting the Linux problems with the 8800 cards well under control in the near future. The same cannot be said of AMD's current set of woes right at this time. Perhaps in another couple of months, maybe it'll be a different story, but...

Now that I've said my peace here, let's get back to the bashing of AMD's late, unstable driver... >:-) :D

Svartalf

11-13-2007, 05:12 PM

8.44 - The Headshot Edition

yoshi314

11-16-2007, 11:59 AM

8.44 - "monthhful of bugs"

metala

11-17-2007, 06:32 PM

8.44 - Really Damn Fast Kernel panic

TheIcebreaker

11-19-2007, 01:46 AM

8.44 - Really Damn Fast Kernel panic

8.44 - the vicious cycle continues edition

DeepDayze

11-21-2007, 12:13 PM

8.44 - Rodney Dangerfield Edition

Michael

11-21-2007, 01:35 PM

8.43 -- "What the hell!! It's called 7.11 now!"

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=11462

klaus

11-21-2007, 02:16 PM

Catalyst 7.11: The Renamed Edition!

Nicolas

11-21-2007, 02:21 PM

Catalyst 7.11: The Renamed Edition!

Apparently that was literally what this release is about... They haven't even fixed the memory leak or XV problems as far as I could see from other reports...

Kano

11-21-2007, 02:33 PM

7-11: New name - same crap!

korpenkraxar

11-21-2007, 04:08 PM

7.11 - Happy go lucky

mo0n_sniper

11-21-2007, 07:14 PM

7.11: "Virus for linux" edition
7.11: "All your fps are belong to us" edition
7.11: "You want the drivers,you can't handle the drivers" edition

Anywayz I still have hopes for 7.12 because I saw some nice things happening this last few weeks.The radeonhd driver is progressing nicely and the fglrx looks like it will work someday.....eventualy.I hope that amd will support other distributions used by regular desktop users(you don't need 3d on servers).

mo0n_sniper

11-21-2007, 07:19 PM

one more
7.11:the "It's broken you can go outside and play" edition

Compxpert

11-21-2007, 07:40 PM

7.11 - Useless update edition

Malikith

11-21-2007, 09:12 PM

7.11: Beer Bong in the Office Edition

7.12: Crouching Ruby Hidden Driver

yoshi314

11-22-2007, 12:07 AM

7.11 - "most.pointless.driver.ever.released"

7.11 - "what a hangover.... whoa! is it time for a new release already?"

klaus

11-22-2007, 01:44 PM

Take a look at these pieces :

fglrx is evil. but still funny
New name - same crap!
"All your fps are belong to us" edition

These are telling ATI how much Linux guys love them!

Christian_L

11-22-2007, 03:33 PM

7.11 - "Cause 8.35 still does it better (and because it will stay like this until Jan. 2009)"

Svartalf

11-22-2007, 07:52 PM

Take a look at these pieces :

These are telling ATI how much Linux guys love them!

In reality, we're trying to convey to them that they need to get their damn act together real quick. Trust me; if we didn't actually like the idea of an ATI part in our machines, we sure as hell wouldn't be giving them even this much.

yoshi314

11-23-2007, 12:19 AM

macmus

11-23-2007, 01:28 AM

7.11 - "what a hangover.... whoa! is it time for a new release already?"

ROFTL :) never ending party at linux devel office

Svartalf

11-23-2007, 09:32 AM

7.11 - "who let the bugs out?!"

ati does not care about our opinion that much. after all we are merely their customers. ("pay for our product and we do not care what happens next" - that's my impression of their linux attitude so far).

if it weren't for opensource drivers i would scrap some cash for a different video card asap.

Oh, they care, alright- they have to.

Linux is the OS of cluster computing. If they don't have working drivers, you can't use their GPUs for cluster compute boost. Moreover, making THIS crowd happy is important for that same business segment- we're the ones that reccomend the hardware of that nature and the hardware everyone else buys.

If we're not happy, then we don't reccomend their stuff in the future. If we don't reccomend, they will see lower or much lower sales.

Now, you say, why in the Hell are we seeing the treatment we're seeing?

Because AMD didn't know the extent of the mess ATI had made for itself and therefore for AMD- ATI butchered all but the DirectX group and the silicon design groups- either through layoffs or attrition with no replacement of the people leaving. AMD then followed this by a RIF globally because the acquisition of ATI and a few other things gave them financial indigestion and they had to appease the day traders so their stock price would stop dropping. This further reduced their manpower.

What you're seeing is the result of a prior upper management group betting on Vista followed up by an unknowing upper management not realizing that they've got some serious problems in one of their main business segments.

While I'm going to still poke fun at them over this debacle, I'm still willing to consider them as a viable possibility- they're seriously interacting with us at this time and they're seriously trying to fix the problems, even if the closed driver is still a big fat mess right at the moment.

Svartalf

11-23-2007, 09:33 AM

7.11 - The Nutshot Edition

mo0n_sniper

11-23-2007, 12:00 PM

7.11:
"Who is this 8.43 that you speak of?"
"BUFU"(Buy Us Fuck You) edition

klaus

11-23-2007, 02:34 PM

I think pretty much ATI is being fucked here, we (as linux users) have put grip on them; and the market too, so some time-handling problems again because of us.
We are making them to deliver us good stuff in minimum time, but they are acting with too much haste. Take a look at nVidia, got nearly more market than ATI, has a stable "binary, proprietary" driver and time 2 time changing one byte of code, releasing as a major release, sitting calm on a sofa, and not giving a bit of their GPU specification 2 us, and most of us think they're doing better that ATI!

But it IS the opposite, there is much progress in ATI, but since this progress is with too much haste, their work is all fucked up.
Most of us are willing to get binary drivers every 4 months instead of 1 month, but have it with major progresses and no bugs. This is better, both for us, and for ATI, since they can do their whatever works, with less haste and more accuracy -> which leads to our happiness, and to their more successive future.

But I said major progress, not changing release number and say: "Hey everybody: We changed our release number system and we have released a driver with one buggy thing fixed up and having more buggy parts involved"

This could be the way they should have acted till now, but Since they have released some of their specifications, the only thing which can please us to appreciate them, is only releasing all the specification ASAP...

I hope someone from ATI would read these stuff i wrote here

yoshi314

11-25-2007, 02:47 PM

i'd rather have ati devs follow more opensource-like model in their development (ground-up like work). fglrx/catalyst is totally ridden with bugs.

i'd rather see ati release a basic but _stable_ 2d-only driver, and slowly expand it, month by month. but keeping it stable (and compatible with new x.org/kernel) in the first place. but that's not the way proprietary development is done - customers are just less forgiving in this case :]

i really don't believe we'll ever see a stable and relatively bug-free fglrx/catalyst-or-whatever-the-new-name-is driver the way the development is being done now. it just seems like there is way too much bugs to fix everywhere in the driver. that's why i gave up on the driver - i just can't see it getting stable. ever.

i'd rather use less functional but more stable opensource solution.

bridgman

11-25-2007, 08:07 PM

I'd rather see ati release a basic but _stable_ 2d-only driver, and slowly expand it, month by month. but keeping it stable (and compatible with new x.org/kernel) in the first place. but that's not the way proprietary development is done - customers are just less forgiving in this case :]

Bingo... but we're doing *that* with the open source driver efforts. The opne source driver can be kept compatible with new x/kernel development, partly because it will be smaller and simpler, and partly because it will be open source so problems can be investigated quickly and easily.

yoshi314

11-26-2007, 03:06 AM

does it mean you're planning to make new fglrx/catalyst driver on top of radeonhd codebase, when it matures? (not sure if the license allows that).

bridgman

11-26-2007, 07:54 AM

does it mean you're planning to make new fglrx/catalyst driver on top of radeonhd codebase, when it matures? (not sure if the license allows that).

The idea is to offer a choice of drivers -- a simple, stable open source driver which can be easily tweaked to work on the newest x & kernel releases (and which can serve as a development vehicle for them), plus a more feature-rich, performance-optimized proprietary driver which will be tested and supported on specific distros.

We probably need another Phoronix article to make the whole story clear.

yoshi314

11-27-2007, 01:58 PM

maybe you do. it would be nice to say up front which distributions are going to have official support.

Michael

11-27-2007, 02:00 PM

maybe you do. it would be nice to say up front which distributions are going to have official support.

SuSE and Red Hat are their "officially supported" distributions, all other support and testing comes via the community.

Christian_L

11-28-2007, 01:56 AM

The idea is to offer a choice of drivers -- a simple, stable open source driver which can be easily tweaked to work on the newest x & kernel releases (and which can serve as a development vehicle for them), plus a more feature-rich, performance-optimized proprietary driver which will be tested and supported on specific distros.

So we will have the choice between one driver that does not fully work, because it's missing the advanced stuff (likely because of unreleased specifications), and another one that does not fully work, because it does not support the latest distros/new kernels/xorg etc.? Sounds awesome.