Ok, it's November. Where's 8.43? [Archive]

Uchikoma

11-01-2007, 06:10 PM

...of course you are...so while we wait:

- the chances of 8.43 being released on Oct 31st? Zero.
- the chances of 8.43 being released before Oct 31st? Zero.

- the chances of 8.43 being released on or after November 1st, increasing over time.

xD

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I think there was another 8.43 thread that covered this already, but it basically boils down to the following (roughly in order):

- stability
- performance improvements
- video overlay Xv, dualhead, video overlay GL in working order.
- support for the latest kernel, 64 bit support, fireGL support, xorg 1.4 stability
- compiz performance improvements

GL performance is already much better. Perhaps fix some of the artifacts that give the impression that the driver is 'cheating'.

So now we wait.

Ole-Martin Broz

11-01-2007, 06:17 PM

givemesugarr

11-01-2007, 07:17 PM

i've heard that amd is planning to insert a full watermarked desktop in its driver the next time. since the users were complaining against it amd has decided to introduce it everywhere on the screen so that nobody would be able to identify the watermark issue inside the screen and the user will think that fgrlx would include a personal beryl inside the driver.... :D:D

a part from jokes, they said that will fix the compiz bug (i still haven't understood what it is this bug :confused:) and make the driver stabler for the boards supported and add the support to firegl boards. the last thing should also be official support for 2.6.23.
for me that's quite enough since i'm not experiencing great issues. now for my x200m xorg is working quite well.
maybe the fix of the libGL soname would be good to have, too.
as for the date, i'd say that it would be released on th 13th or 14th of the month.

makoto42

11-01-2007, 10:55 PM

I'm hoping for resume to be fixed for the driver and Ubuntu gutsy. 8.42 fixed suspend for me, good first step, but useless without resume working.

givemesugarr

11-02-2007, 04:19 AM

I'm hoping for resume to be fixed for the driver and Ubuntu gutsy. 8.42 fixed suspend for me, good first step, but useless without resume working.

i think that this is included into the official 2.6.23 kernel support since the suspend and hibernate works quite well with 2.6.22 and 2.6.23 with slab instead of slub.

pedepy

11-02-2007, 08:00 AM

come on 8.42 just came out.

By the way this might not be the right thread for this, but where would I file bug reports for 8.42.3 ?? Ive tried it out with rather mixed results although I admit its a big step in the right direction it might not be quite there yet. I would really like to "contribute" with various bug reports (mainly in regars to aiglx) but I dont know where to file a bug report for a closed source project.

yay for ati

givemesugarr

11-02-2007, 09:11 AM

I would really like to "contribute" with various bug reports (mainly in regars to aiglx) but I dont know where to file a bug report for a closed source project.

http://ati.cchtml.com/

Crunchy

11-02-2007, 09:29 AM

A driver that actually works with my x1950 Pro AGP would be nice :D

Uchikoma

11-02-2007, 09:34 AM

i feel the aiglx performance is the most crucial, overclocking option and more settings in CCC is important aswell, a nvidia card in linux cant compare i guess, my bro doesnt got that good performance in linux with his 8800 GTS 640 mb

I like my eyecandy yes, but from my point of view, I'd rather have a stable (non-compiz) desktop with suspend/hibernate and good, stable game performance first before anything else really.

...btw, no one submit 8.43 for backporting to Ubuntu restricted modules unless it's stable and solves the suspend issue + gives stable aiglx. You'll waste your time otherwise.

MagicTempest

11-02-2007, 02:05 PM

A driver that actually works with my x1950 Pro AGP would be nice :D

Doesn't it work? Mine works fine. It's not yet as fast as I would like, but very usable.

d2kx

11-02-2007, 03:01 PM

Xserver 1.4 Bugfixes (first application crashes, no AIGLX)
AIGLX fixes

That's all I really would like to have. What about a big release without new features but with bugfixes around the place. Maybe 8.43 will be such a release.

subvertigo

11-03-2007, 12:38 PM

The next ATI driver release will support 2.6.23, and so will support SLUB memory allocator.

This means that suspend/hibernation will work for Gutsy :D (and other distribution with 2.6.22/23 kernel).

givemesugarr

11-03-2007, 03:50 PM

The next ATI driver release will support 2.6.23 and
This means that suspend/hibernation will work for Gutsy (and other distribution with 2.6.22/23 kernel).

works fine for me with x200m. the only problem is that ati has forgotten to say that the 8.42 driver doesn't support slub but only slab.
anyway having this support official it's a nice pleasure even if i've read that in some cases slub behaves worse than slab.

What about a big release without new features but with bugfixes around the place.

if you look at past releases and their new features (there's an article somewhere on phoronix) you can see that once a year there's a new release with a lot of new features and then there are only bugfixes and some minor new features. i think that the new features release was the 8.42.3 and that for some time now ati will only commit bugfixes to its driver along with the new kernels and new xorg releases. any other feature is useless in my opinion. for now the driver seem to support what the users have requested and now it's the time to have it support it in a stable way, since i've read many users which are dissatisfied with stability.

Berniyh

11-06-2007, 08:18 AM

Hopefully this release brings a lot of bugfixes, like for example:
- Switching between VTs
- Oopses on shutdown
- Support for SLUB
- soname
- Many more problems, that I actually don't have

Especially the problem with the switching between VTs has been around for several years. I really do think it is time now, to fix this once and for all.

@Michael:
Can you maybe say something about when to expect this driver?
I mean not a precise date, but something like "It will arrive at the end of the month" or it'll be here very soon or something like that.

givemesugarr

11-06-2007, 08:31 AM

Can you maybe say something about when to expect this driver?
I mean not a precise date, but something like "It will arrive at the end of the month" or it'll be here very soon or something like that.

i think that you'll get the usual answer:
it will arrive when it's done.... :D:D

Malikith

11-06-2007, 10:49 AM

What I hope to see in the release notes is this:

8.43: In Order is highest priority to me

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- 3d Performance Enhancements (I get stuttering in some games now with the new driver that wasn't present in previous drivers. But if I look passed the stuttering, the driver DOES perform alot better than previous drivers, this is only in some games, they are using something that the driver is choking on.) The games I've noticed these problems in is:

- Tremulous (With cg_shadows 3 and/or lots of particles)

- Savage

Thats all I tested, xmoto worked fine. And so did Tremulous with cg_shadows 1 or 0.
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- 2.6.23 kernel support

- xv fixes

- Numerous Bug Fixes (Including AIGLX Fixes and the corruption some people are having)

- Add something new for us in the control center to play with.

I predict the driver to come out on..... The 13th of November.

pierluc

11-06-2007, 11:21 AM

What I hope to see in the release notes is this:
- Better performance when I play to a video games with Compiz-fusion
- An universal automatic installer for all Linux OS.
- Add the driver on game.amd.com
- update the installer instruction on the web site of amd with new screenshoot on new tutorial for others OS (Ubuntu, Mandriva, etc.)
- a real tolls to check performance (benchmark)

fredo

11-06-2007, 11:51 AM

Hi,

8.43 will not be available this month because I've just been fired by AMD and I was the only developer working on it. Sorry.

Mota_boy

11-06-2007, 11:57 AM

So how is going to happen with ati-linux driver/s, if you where the only developer,?
I mean real..

mile

11-06-2007, 12:06 PM

ignore posts from fredo :)

Mota_boy

11-06-2007, 12:08 PM

Okei, I`m was already thinging what the **** :D

metala

11-06-2007, 12:59 PM

I would say on 10-11th November there will be release, or maybe 19th November(RV670 release).

Uchikoma

11-06-2007, 01:02 PM

You know, we'd all love the next set of drivers to come out as soon as possible so we can get (hopefully) more stable machines.

But, as echoed by many a person, many a time, I'm willing to wait till the end of the month if it means more fixes and stability.

...somehow I also doubt it'll be out November 10-11th.

metala

11-06-2007, 01:06 PM

I'm with 8.42.3 and Sapphire HD 2600 XT and I'm feeling very stable with my Debian Lenny. Maybe some bug fixes in pre-R600 will be well met. Because my brother's Mobility Radeon X700 is really blazing(compared to 8.35.5), but there are artifacts that many people have complained about. I have not other complaints about 8.42.3.

mabco

11-07-2007, 06:44 AM

A driver that actually works with my x1950 Pro AGP would be nice :D

I second that Crunchy!
Using Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP(512). Can get decent 2D but never 3D support.

The_Monkey_King

11-07-2007, 10:25 AM

Any hint as to when ATI/AMD will release the 3D specs?

I know people have discussed the possibility of non-disclosure or proprietary elements within the chipsets, but I wonder if they are looking at 2D to be rock stable across 80% of the chipsets in production before they release the docs?

My release name vote: 8.43 'aka Black Friday'

MagicTempest

11-08-2007, 02:11 AM

I second that Crunchy!
Using Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP(512). Can get decent 2D but never 3D support.

I'm using the same card, but I do manage to get 3d support. I just installed the driver and it works. I'm also able to play various games and use AIGLX.

Crunchy

11-08-2007, 06:36 AM

I'm using the same card, but I do manage to get 3d support. I just installed the driver and it works. I'm also able to play various games and use AIGLX.

I wonder what the difference is? I've tried all sorts of kernel and config settings to try and get it to work. What's your motherboard/CPU Magic?

Berniyh

11-08-2007, 06:51 AM

I wonder what the difference is? I've tried all sorts of kernel and config settings to try and get it to work. What's your motherboard/CPU Magic?
Open up a new thread, this really doesn't belong in here.

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Don't get me wrong here, if there is no possibility, that Michael can even say it will come out at the end of the month (which isn't really precise informationen ;)) or sth. similar, then he can say of course, that he is not allowed to state that and I am fine with that.

Anyway, I hope this one will be better. 8.42.3 wasn't the best release. Of course it had AIGLX and stuff, but there were some things, that I think could be prevented if you double check it before you release (I hope they do that ;)).

Kano

11-08-2007, 06:53 AM

Yes it was very incomplete... you can not even run all OpenGL apps with it. It is mainly for games and a very little bit for AIGLX.

Gottxxc

11-08-2007, 07:19 AM

Who needs (really needs) compiz? If you love this stuff pls buy a mac. ;)

Svartalf

11-08-2007, 10:53 AM

Yes it was very incomplete... you can not even run all OpenGL apps with it. It is mainly for games and a very little bit for AIGLX.

Hmph... As I suspected. You'll find the same story with the Vista/XP version of the driver. :D

Malikith

11-08-2007, 01:20 PM

Hopefully they'll fix some of the bugs I've got, heres my complete list of bugs/problems:

3D - Stuttering in 3d, its smooth sometimes, but it seems like when particles or something, I can't quite figure out what it is thats causing it, but it even happens in Hexen II (A Quake 1 engine game). All my games run smooth even at 6x anti aliasing, but when I reach a stutter area, well, its slow no matter what I do.

2D - I have a few 2d issues, one, when browsing with firefox, sometimes my mouse cursor shows corruption around it. Strange, and annoying. Also 2d performance is a little lacking still.

Video - Xv Video playback seems slow. Opengl playback is fine, but I would like to see Xv working the way it should, as would a ton of us.

AIGLX/Compiz - Compiz Fusion works, however, some windows do not show their contents, they are just blank. And I can't move icons on my desktop. Its like the desktop itself is frozen until I turn off Compiz. And it is a little slow at times.

If they can fix all those issues in 8.43 I'll be in disbelief, if they can fix at least half of them, I'll be happy. If they fix none of them, I will send Phoronix a new video that they can put on their site, titled "What happens if you have a hammer in your left hand and a ATI card in your right?"

oliver

11-09-2007, 06:21 AM

Open up a new thread, this really doesn't belong in here.

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True, but this person hasn't replied in the topic that was opened for it, so all input we X1950/X16nn AGP! users like to get anything really.

Said that, Mine works, i get 3d and everything, just horrible slow (no interrupt assigned or some such).

sergus

11-14-2007, 06:06 PM

Ok, it is November, 14. Where is a new driver?
Can't wait for another week.

enzobelmont

11-14-2007, 09:34 PM

where is Michael?..

any hint????

can i run aiglx in a fast and stable way?

I'm using an x200m in my lappy, yeah i know. it is not as fast, but in 8.40 XGL was faster than 8.42 with AIXGL

yoshi314

11-15-2007, 05:48 AM

Ok, it is November, 14. Where is a new driver?somewhere in ati. where else?

i can't wait for more specs from ati, and i can finally forget about that damned driver. maybe i'll also learn to code in C properly, so i'll be of some help the radeonhd devs.

Mota_boy

11-15-2007, 05:03 PM

Yes coding C is one good idea, i`m just started to studying/learning c-language, but in near future is might be useful to helping to make good opensource ati driver or something else but still good think if me or somebody not hired people can also be part of making good drivers :) .

Ps. sorry my little rusty english.

enzobelmont

11-16-2007, 01:21 AM

greg

11-16-2007, 03:07 PM

By the way - does 8.42 work any better with XGL than 8.40 did?

Uchikoma

11-16-2007, 04:32 PM

there is ZERO hype around next release....

i think this month will be the end of my respect to _ATI_/_AMD_.

maybe they should just give away full specs and wait for WE DESPERATED USERS to do their JOB.

I'm pretty sure that we will do it FASTER and BETTER.

:mad:

sorry my fracking english...

Hype and what you get are two different things you know. I don't mind if there's no hype as long as there is features and fixes in the upcoming release.

Respect is earned too, and ATI w/ regards to linux doesn't have it quite yet. It's a bit different on the Windows side tho for me.

...and you can contribute already you know. Hit up the radeonhd mailing list and offer to help a bit. Just because the full specs aren't there doesn't mean development can't start ^^

Rawr.

Greg: I haven't tried XGL under 8.42 so I can't provide a response to that -_-

enzobelmont

11-16-2007, 04:57 PM

Hype and what you get are two different things you know. I don't mind if there's no hype as long as there is features and fixes in the upcoming release.

Respect is earned too, and ATI w/ regards to linux doesn't have it quite yet. It's a bit different on the Windows side tho for me.

...and you can contribute already you know. Hit up the radeonhd mailing list and offer to help a bit. Just because the full specs aren't there doesn't mean development can't start ^^

Rawr.

Greg: I haven't tried XGL under 8.42 so I can't provide a response to that -_-

when i say hype i'm talking about all expectation generated around driver releases (do you remember "the baby is born"), and what we got?... just a _crappy_ driver, i hope so much this release (next one 8.43) to be stable and faster.

about respect: how can i respect a manufacturer that sells hardware without a decent driver? would you buy a new car with no wheels?, (or squared ones) i don't think so, unfortunately we (laptop users) can't change display adapters as easily as desktop users.

developement started a long time ago, radeonhd team deserves a lot of credit, developing a driver using reverse engineering [agh! sorry my english] is a hard challenge. I hope AMD_ releases complete specs soon, really i would love it.

dont take me wrong, I would love to see an efficient driver released every month (including gradual improvements) from _ATI_ , but every month we receive a disappointment.

sorry my really _crappy_ english...

aoanla

11-16-2007, 05:00 PM

when i say hype i'm talking about all expectation generated around driver releases (do you remember "the baby is born"), and what we got?... just a _crappy_ driver,

To be fair to ATI, they didn't do the hype. That was Michael/the rest of the Phoronix staff.

But, yes, if they actually communicated with us, it would be good.

banaantje12

11-17-2007, 05:18 AM

Hmm I am using Linux for 6 months now... But I think I go install Windows XP again for some games.

I go remove Windows XP next year. And then install Ubuntu 8.04 witch will be OWNAGE. Then the ATI drivers will have alot of improvements and I will be happy then. And I sure hope WINE will be improved alot then to. (Maybe full DirectX 9 support???)

shaker

11-18-2007, 10:41 AM

I hope they fix the bug that gives me green and black blocks in the bottom right corner of the screen. Its getting annoying.

TheIcebreaker

11-18-2007, 11:08 AM

I hope they fix the bug that gives me green and black blocks in the bottom right corner of the screen. Its getting annoying.

i get two black bads at the right corner but not always it comes at arbitrary times

but i run amdcccle and click ok they disappear.

Pabloh

11-18-2007, 11:11 AM

green and black blocks in the bottom right corner of the screen

Have you tried adding this option on your xorg.conf?

Section "Device"

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Option “XAANoOffscreenPixmaps” “true”
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TheIcebreaker

11-19-2007, 02:48 AM

when is the 8.43 version getiting released

macmus

11-19-2007, 08:41 AM

when is the 8.43 version getiting released

that is the question which half of ATI community is asking.
The other half already bought Nvidia after 8.42 :P

Crunchy

11-19-2007, 09:29 AM

8.42 was released at the end of October, ATI do a monthly release so it'll be the end of November for 8.43, still two weeks to go.

yoshi314

11-19-2007, 12:01 PM

that is the question which half of ATI community is asking.
The other half already bought Nvidia after 8.42 :Pwell i don't have an nvidia card and i don't care. where's my share? :>

The_Monkey_King

11-19-2007, 12:42 PM

Any bets that development is occuring this week in the United States?

Also, being six weeks before Christmas, I do not see any more development after this next release until sometime in late January. That is, if something is going to be released in the next two to three weeks.

Svartalf

11-19-2007, 01:09 PM

This depends on...

1) How many contractors they've hired on to do the work.

2) How many people actually have vacation time, how much vacation time they have, etc.

Odds on, there will be work going on during the next day or so (bridgman's been posting and Phoronix wouldn't have given him an AMD moniker on his user type if he wasn't an official rep there...) and for about four weeks following this week. Now, whether they accomplish something usable for us in that timeframe remains to be seen. I'd just love to see that evil memory leak resolved so I can set up one of my test machines with the X800 and X1300 I've got in hand. Even if it's unstable, I can guide them through the maze of problems with LGP's stuff while we wait for the spec docs so they can make the thing at least a little more robust. But with things like that leak bug, I've got a few more pressing things to attend to as that should've been caught with Valgrind before it shipped... :D

Kano

11-19-2007, 01:19 PM

Svartalf

11-19-2007, 02:25 PM

I would not expect too much from a new fglrx release, as ATI is known to make very small steps - or would you say something else to the point that FireGL IDs will not be in it? This should have been already in 8.42... The OSS driver approach is fine, but thats only for ppl who do not want to use their gfx card for real 3d apps like games or similar tools.

Considering that they have that nice n' nasty memory leak in their default pathway handling (It's in glxgears, of all things, that it happens most dramatically in when it does happen; it's a simple enough thing to run and leave running overnight to catch mistakes in memory object processing for a driver... :D) it may be another driver or two or three before they open up FireGL support. The driver doesn't honestly meet the stated criteria for FireGL right now.

As for "real 3D" apps, Kano, the Radeon Mobility 9000 can realistically handle most "real" apps better with higher perfomance than the supposedly "superior" X200M on fglrx- I can actually play things like Blender, Q3:A, Postal2 demo, WoP, and LGP's titles in test, whereas I can't do much of ANYTHING past something like Neverball on the X200M with a more powerful CPU in it.

I'd be cautious about making blanket statements like you're making there... ;) :D

Kano

11-19-2007, 03:56 PM

I would call apps using openscenegraph like gl2benchmark as "real" 3d apps.

Berniyh

11-21-2007, 07:47 AM

Hm, it's very silenced here, so I guess, that a lot of ati users are very satisfied with 8.42.3 or at least a lot more than I thought.

I've got a feeling, that it'll come out this week.
(But that, obviously, doesn't mean anything. ;))

Michael

11-21-2007, 07:55 AM

I've got a feeling, that it'll come out this week.
(But that, obviously, doesn't mean anything. ;))

Do realize that tomorrow is Thanksgiving here in the US and on Friday is Black Friday (not that it means much to AMD).... What days does that leave then? :confused:

Berniyh

11-21-2007, 07:59 AM

Do realize that tomorrow is Thanksgiving here in the US and on Friday is Black Friday (not that it means much to AMD).... What days does that leave then? :confused:
Well, today. :-P

So no driver this week to expect. Well, could be worse, at least I got those strange corruptions sold out.
And (according to the bug report) they are also working on fixing that oops, that prevents me to switch between console and also seems to prevent me from suspending/resuming.
(I don't mean the SLUB thing, but from another bug report that'll be fixed to, hopefully.)

aoanla

11-21-2007, 09:39 AM

Hm, it's very silenced here, so I guess, that a lot of ati users are very satisfied with 8.42.3 or at least a lot more than I thought.

Or, of course, that all the ati users who aren't satisfied with 8.42.3 have given up hope for improvements in 8.43.x ;)

(Or that, in general, people exhausted themselves getting excited about 8.42.3, and, regardless of their feelings about the driver, just haven't got the energy to be as excited less than a month after...)

Draco-LVNH

11-21-2007, 10:04 AM

Or, of course, that all the ati users who aren't satisfied with 8.42.3 have given up hope for improvements in 8.43.x ;)

(Or that, in general, people exhausted themselves getting excited about 8.42.3, and, regardless of their feelings about the driver, just haven't got the energy to be as excited less than a month after...)

i think you are right, besides, the 8.41 was horrible on AMD64, users could not even run programs, now we can :p i think we are not desperate like those times then, i would like more stability and xv support than AIGLX.... for now, but if AIGLX gets better then welcome AIGLX, i really do not mind using XGL for Compiz, also XGL and 8.42 are fine, for anyone who want to try out, it does not work for >=xorg-server-1.4