What Would You Like To See From NVIDIA & ATI/AMD In 2008 For Linux Graphics?

[Michael]

See title... what would you like to see?

[teroedni]

From Amd/Ati

-Better compiz support
-Stable drivers
-More options in Amdccle
-Hopefully a working widescreen version next month:)
-Continue on their release of documentation both for old and new architectures.


From Nvidia
-Cheaper and good products (8800gt is way too expensive)
-continue on their good drivers
-release of documentation like amd(yeah right:p)

[ivanovic]

From Amd/Ati:

- Support for XVideo with the latest video cards, too (yes, some users do still use analog tv cards and most programs do require XVideo to allow displaying the tv picture on a resolution higher than 720x480 or to work at all...).
- More/better comunication with the driver devs (that is a more verbose changelog, comments that bugs are known and they are working on fixing them (yes, once per "huge" bug is enough), ...).
- Continuing of opening up specs (those specs are the main reason why I did just buy a new 3850 since I am sure that there will be a good open driver soon).

From NVidia:
- Release of complete specifications to allow better open source drivers.
- Faster support for new devices in the drivers, support from release day onwards would be a lot better than having to wait some months.

[Luis]

From AMD:

- Continue like this year (improving closed source drivers + providing specs for OSS drivers).

From NVIDIA:

- Continue with their good closed source drivers, but release specs for having good OSS drivers too. If AMD can do it, they can do it too!

[Dandel]

From AMD/ATI: ( pretty much what is said before.)

Release more Documentation over Current Cards. ( like full 2D/3D register information. )
Release Documentation on the older video cards, like the Radeon 7x00, 8x00, 9x00, and Xx00 series, and Rage, etc.
Release documentation on Video Capture registers.
Release Register details for reading the GPU Thermal Temp, and controlling the gpu fan( if a card has it.).
Improvements specifically for the closed source driver.

add support for Modelines (again)
Fix Multihead Opengl support.
Improve Documentation for Driver's Options seen in Xorg.conf.
Fix loads of bugs.
(Free/Net/Open)BSD support.
Reduce Kernel Module Load times. ( adds about 20 seconds to boot from what i see. )
Improve Fan speed control.

For the Open Source Driver:

Multihead configuration (not sure if it has this.?)
TV out support for Newer Cards.
2d/3D acceleration.
XVideo support.



From Nvidia, only 1 thing... Release Documentation Similar to AMD/ATI on video cards period, as long as it details how to properly set/use the card.

Edit:
thought of 2 or 3 more key things for AMD/ATI, not changing stance on Nvidia... lol.

[hmmm]

AMD-

fglrx support for wii gpu :P
better video playback/docs
one fglrx that resolves all previous bugs and introduces none :) wishful thinking

Nvidia-

support for RSX & nouveau with docs

Both -

Pimping linux game ports to more publishers
trying to get an autocad port on linux

[deanjo]

AMD

-proper IGP support (ie x1250 and xv support) OSS or closed does not matter, as long as it works.

Nvidia

-regular binary blob releases much like ATI's
-proper tv detection on G92 cards.

For both, a simple bug / sysinfo capture util that creates a bug report and is able to submit to the xorg/ATI/Nvidia developers after capturing all pertinent logs and files . There should also be this available in the control panels of both.

As well the option of "send video playback to display # X" like the windows drivers have on Nvidia's cards pre 8000 series.

Full HD acceleration of non-DRM content.

The ability to use the GPU for other content other then video display (ie media encoding acceleration)

Also the ability to have hardware 3d acceleration in VM's like Parallels can in OS X.

Although not limited to video alone I would also like to see apps like Nvidia's nTune and AMD's Overdrive for linux.

[lucky_]

Cooperate with linux vendors would be fine in order to make the closed-source drivers available through updates.
I don't know wich fglrx version ubuntu will ship for their next release, but as it will be a what they call LTS, peoples could be stuck with a half satisfying for a long time. And this is not cool. (I Don't talk for me I use only the open source solution)

Help peoples to fix the bugs in the radeon driver. (This is for my personal interest)
AMD keep pushing the open source solution, as it was for years the only reliable solution.

[TechMage89]

AMD

-Make Xv work properly with fglrx.
-Improve 2d (Xrender) performance with fglrx.
-Improve AIGLX performance for fglrx.
-Make hardware accelerated video decoding working with fglrx (perhaps using vaapi)

-Continue to assist open-source driver development, hopefully with full 3d specs.

NVIDIA

-Improve hardware accelerated video decoding in proprietary driver (maybe using vaapi so that h264 and VC-1 decodes can be accelerated).

-Cooperate with open-source developers. Even specs released to nouveau developers under NDA would be better than nothing.

-Un-cripple NV driver (it's Xrender performance is hugely below both nouveau and the proprietary driver.) Better yet, give support to the 2d part of nouveau so their driver can be stable as well as fast.

[Dieter]

ATI: Complete the docs for all chips currently
being sold (which includes some fairly old ones).
[ And thank you for the docs you have released so far! ]
Work on reducing power consumption.

Nvidia: (1) Document your chipsets. (2) document your
GPUs. (3) Work on reducing power consumption.

Phoronix: Learn that there are other operating systems
besides linux. The BSDs, OS-X, OpenSolaris, Plan-9, etc.

[Dieter]

PS: support for composite sync and sync-on-green

[Melcar]

For AMD/ATI:

The ability to overclock and monitor temperatures on cards.
Better AIGLX support.
Fix the screen resolution problems.

[NeoBrain]

AMD should continue to improve their drivers (even if many people
say they were just coding more bugs), that's all I want from them
as it seems to be already going a good way.

On Nvidia side I don't want them to force releasing their specs
for the public (it's not that natural as many seem
to think now), but NDAs would be okay I think.

[lakritz]

Video decoding in free drivers so that it works out of the box in the big distros.

[yoshi314]

What Would You Like To See From NVIDIA & ATI/AMD In 2008 For Linux Graphics? i'd like to see ati/amd's opensource strategy pay off and encourage the company to keep it up.

i'd like to see ati grow some serious linux/bsd/solaris market share and scare nvidia so much that they would also release specifications.

but that's not going to happen any time soon. at least rms will stop bugging ati ;-)

[DeepDayze]

ATI should keep its promise of releasing documentation for all their cards and improve the quality of their drivers.

Nvidia should pursue releasing their docs as well...perhaps under an NDA at first to the nouveau developers.

[Kano]

I think that comparison is not fully correct. Nv writes at least 2d drivers even for the newest cards as opensource. Intel writes even 3d drivers as opensource and nobody requested documentation...

[tsuru]

I'd like to see strengthing of Open Source contributions by all the major players.

I want to see OpenGL 3 support (whose spec I also hope will be released :mad:)

There are some interesting things in OpenGL ES (like EGL) that I would like to see supported at the desktop level.

[val-gaav]

1) ATI
-speeding up the docs release
-speeding up the open driver development

2) Nvidia
- they should be following AMD/ATI and Intel example regarding the open drivers.

[Ole-Martin Broz]

I want crossfire support, i want overclocking tool simple or 3rd party, doesnt have to be from amd themself, but i hope they make overdrive for linux aswell.

i want UVD support, and better playback support for videos, performance as a single card is no issue for me, runs better than windows on my 2900 XT and guess the same for 3870
ETQW

[mrt181]

i would like to connect two HD3870X2 via crossfire (4x GPU).

so if ati wants my money, they better add full support for these cards and crossfire.

[yoshi314]

i would like to connect two HD3870X2 via crossfire (4x GPU).
what about being able to connect nvidia and amd gpu together? :>

[kirù]

My nvidia 7300 GT is going very well (my ex radeon 9600 was very bad). I am satisfied and if nvidia want to do something for effects in xmame (I can't use them or I will have a black screen) I would be very happy.
If not, I'm happy too :D That's the only negative thing I found!

[NeoBrain]

what about being able to connect nvidia and amd gpu together? :>
You aren't meaning this serious, are you? :D
However, I even think this could really be possible. We can't expect neither AMD nor NVidia to implement such a thing, but what
about open source drivers? The X server could load two drivers, for example nv and radeon, and tell them that they should work
together in some way. Then they have some standarized protocol implemented for talking to each other and coordinate what card
does which part of the rendering.
I know this is a somewhat crazy idea and yet there's no real reason why to do this, but wouldn't it be technically possible?

[yoshi314]

there's no real reason why to do thisclustered gpu-computing. so to speak : cross-platform :D

yeah, a snowball's chance in hell. i know :]

[linzerd]

From AMD, A working driver, not an alpha release....

[Karel]

From AMD, A working driver, not an alpha release....

Seconded. Unfortunately, I don't expect them to accomplish such a high goal.

[linzerd]

Seconded. Unfortunately, I don't expect them to accomplish such a high goal.

Nonetheless we users must push...

[aragorn55]

i want support for virtualization of graphics cards so i can run windows as a virtual machine when i want to game instead of dual booting:mad:

[serrs]

ATI & Nvidia:

Go back and ensure "final" versions of drivers compile on modern Linux kernels. People don't want to loose OpenGL performance on their older card by upgrading Linux kernels.

So far Nvidia is doing far better at this.

Radeon < 9500 require very old drivers that require < ~2.6.19 kernel.

Whoever forces the EOL of a card first, looses the next purchase.

[cagljevic]

ATi:

-A testing/unstable/feature branch of driver release with a stable/bug fix release

-increased video acceleration support

NVIDIA:

-xvmc support in geforce 8 series


ATi/NVIDIA:

-increased community support in driver developement similar to INTEL