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SirYes

01-12-2008, 05:25 PM

Recently I've installed a Sapphire HD2600Pro AGP card instead of my beloved nVidia 7600GS (I needed to help my family where another video card broke). I was able to install the Windows XP drivers - although only the ones provided on CD worked. But in Linux it's hopeless. Let me explain.

After installing Catalyst 7.12 drivers in Ubuntu 7.10 the X.org is unable to turn on the high resolution mode on my LCD (1680x1050 @ Samsung SyncMaster 2232), and only the failsafe X kicks in. The Xorg.0.log shows no signs of errors (EE), serious warnings (WW) and the like. I've checked my xorg.conf many times and having a 5+ years of experience with various distros (including Gentoo for example, where you have to basically write xorg.conf or you have no X at all) I must say that the xorg.conf is rather fine.

My suspicions started to rise when the downloaded from AMD/ATI site display drivers refused to install in Windows XP (I've tried 7.12, 7.11 and 7.10). The installer simply stated that it was unable to detect the hardware. But hey, drivers from supplied CD worked! I did a simple "diff -u" on the *.INF files from the different drivers releases and it occured to me that in every ATI driver some generic information was missing.

In Linux this AGP card is detected as:
# lspci
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 9587

# lspci -v
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 9587 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 0028
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
Memory at fbf00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Expansion ROM at fbe00000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] AGP version 3.0

# lcpci -v -v
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 9587 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 0028
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
Region 0: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
Region 1: I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
Region 2: Memory at fbf00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Expansion ROM at fbe00000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
Capabilities: [58] AGP version 3.0
Status: RQ=256 Iso- ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ ITACoh- GART64- HTrans- 64bit- FW+ AGP3+ Rate=x4,x8
Command: RQ=1 ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ AGP- GART64- 64bit- FW- Rate=<none>

Note the "Unknown device 9587" - and I've just updated the PCI ID database by using "update-pciids" command!

Eventually this led me to this: http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/forums/showthread.php?t=16155&page=3&pp=10
I will quote the important part:

If your AGP card is not supported by the latest ATI drivers...
Sometimes the drivers don't get updated for every card for every driver release, so you need to edit a couple files to add your card. Run the installer, and continue until you extract the driver into a folder under C:\ATI\SUPPORT\. At the next opportunity, cancel the installation and navigate to the C:\ATI\SUPPORT\ folder in Windows Explorer. Edit the files as follows, and you can then run C:\ATI\SUPPORT\{Current Version}\Driver\setup.exe.

The files you need to edit are:

Windows Vista
C:\ATI\SUPPORT\[Current Version]\Driver\Packages\Drivers\Display\LH_INF\CX_*****.i nf

Under "[ATI.Mfg]", add the following lines. You can do a search for "HD 2400" to put the lines with the other entries for the HD2000 series, if you wish.

"ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C4
"ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C6
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9587
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9586

The lines can be placed anywhere under the "[ATI.Mfg]" section. For example, your entry could look as follows:

[ATI.Mfg]
"ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C4
"ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C6
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9587
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9586

Windows XP/MCE
C:\ATI\SUPPORT\[Current Version]\Driver\Driver\XP_INF\CX_*****.inf

Under "[ATI.Mfg.NTx86]", add the following lines. You can do a search for "HD 2400" to put the lines with the other entries for the HD2000 series, if you wish.

"ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C4
"ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C6
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9587
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9586

The lines can be placed anywhere under the "[ATI.Mfg.NTx86]" section. For example, your entry could look as follows:

[ATI.Mfg.NTx86]
"ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C4
"ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94C6
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9587
"ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9586

C:\ATI\SUPPORT\[Current Version]\Driver\Driver\CX_*****.INI
C:\ATI\SUPPORT\[Current Version]\Driver\Driver\INSTALL.INI

In both files, under the "[WINXP]" section, add the following at the end of the second line, which starts "R6=DriverPath_R6":

,0x94C4,0x94C6,0x9586,0x9587

For example, your entry could look as follows:

[WINXP]
Label=R6,R6_2,R6_3,R6_4,R6_5,R6_6,R6_7,R6_8,R6_9,R 6_10
R6=DriverPath_R6,0x554F:0x149218BC,0x7162:0x300114 7B,0x94C4,0x94C6,0x9586,0x9587
DriverPath_R6=\XP_INF,CX_52443.INF

When I re-checked the differences in *.INF files I've found it became obvious that the Sapphire released the drivers that include support for "9587 device", but the original ATI Catalyst drivers DO NOT.

Using the above procedure I was able to install the 7.12 drivers in Windows XP for this problematic HD2600Pro AGP card. But in Linux I begin to feel that this is hopeless. Especially if the source of this problem is the same: some missing descriptions in the binary, closed driver that prevent correct device detection.

This graphics chip is designed with PCI-E in mind and is "backported" to work with the AGP bus. What's sad is that this is the best chip in market, budget wise, for AGP at the moment! (there are HD2400 & HD2600 cards, in Pro & XT variants). And the ATI driver doesn't work in Linux and the product is not even registered in the PCI ID database...

I already begin to miss my GeForce... :(

eonghk

01-12-2008, 10:30 PM

Well, with my HD2400pro AGP, what I get is only freezing.
Which output do u use? DVI or VGA?

SirYes

01-13-2008, 07:35 AM

Well, with my HD2400pro AGP, what I get is only freezing.
Which output do u use? DVI or VGA?

Well, I use DVI - this gives the best picture when connected to my LCD. But does it matter?

SirYes

01-13-2008, 07:40 AM

Update: I registered my card on the AMD Customer Support site (http://support.ati.com) and created a problem report ticket:

737-1307341: Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP - drivers do not install in Windows, card not recognized in Linux
http://support.ati.com/ics/support/ticketview.asp?ticket_id=1307341

However, I was able to find that this problem is actually well-known, wrt. this knowledge base article:

737-31420: HD 2XXX Series AGP: No Compatible Hardware Found
http://support.ati.com/ics/support/kbAnswer.asp?questionID=31420

Unluckily this article concerns only Windows drivers, no fglrx is mentioned. :(

Swoopy

01-16-2008, 03:00 PM

The information you found from Saphire is really helpful with regards to the windows installer problem.
I also filed a ticket with ATI support for that "no compatible hardware found" error so perhaps that triggered them to write this KB article.
-edit- I forgot to mention that the ATI help I got for that issue was abysmally bad. They told me to download and try the 7-7 catalyst bundle. Not only did it result in the same error, but when I verified in the readme, it was clear that the bundle was from a time when the HD2xxx cards hadn't even been released yet.
The later response I got from the support guy suggested he thought I had a RADEON 1950 AGP card even though I clearly wrote I had a HD2600XT in each and every update I made to the ticket.

I did find another way to circumvent the problem in Windows XP. After a failed catalyst install, remember where you told the program to unpack the drivers. (Usually C:\ATI). Just go to Windows device manager (under right-click "My Computer", select 'properties' or via the control panel),
browse to the entry for the 2600 (XT in my case) Display Adapter,
right-click, select properties and then click the "update drivers" button on the 'driver' tab.
(this probably works in Vista too but I didn't test that).

Once in that dialog, say no to any of the automagic detection options and choose the "I will tell windows what driver to install" and "browse" and "select a different location" options (can't remember the correct order, sorry)

Browse (in my example) to C:\ATI\support\7-12_xp32_dd_ccc_wdm_enu_55811\Driver\Driver\xp_inf directory and have XP accept the inf file there.
Select the HD2600 Pro or XT from that list (no difference between a PCIe or AGP card there it seems) and roll with it.
Windows will protest that it's not certified for your hardware, but just confirm / overrule.
It has worked fine for me.

p.s. I also can't get fgrlx working on my hd2600xt agp. I either get a black=screen freeze or a half-way through the screen build-up freeze. I haven't tried lowering my resolution yet but with the radeonhd driver and randr turned off, I don't have to so I'll suffer with that some more.

p.s. the ATI links you posted didn't work directly, but while browsing the support site, I found another interesting one: apparently there's a potential directx problem.
If you browse any support topic, and then, in the address bar of the browser, you change the ID= bit into ID=31542 instead, you find some links to as yet untested / unreleased catalyst 8-1 driver packages at the bottom of that page! (Downloading them as I write this [;-)] )

DarkFoss

01-16-2008, 09:46 PM

The 8.1 cat's for windows were released today ;)

fred

01-20-2008, 11:36 PM

I have exactly the same card and the same problem !

I have found this in the temporary directory that is created when we run the ATI installer (I'm using the latest driver 8.01)

fglrx-install.nm8153/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/fglrxko_pci_ids.h

......
FGL_ASIC_ID(0x958E), // ATI Radeon HD 2600 LE (RV630 958E)
FGL_ASIC_ID(0x958A), // Gemini RV630 (RV630 958A)
FGL_ASIC_ID(0x9587), // ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP (RV630 9587)
FGL_ASIC_ID(0x9586), // ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP (RV630 9586)
FGL_ASIC_ID(0x9588), // ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT (RV630 9588)
........

So our video card is suppose to be reconize by this driver :mad: So why ???? does it not install properly!

fred

01-21-2008, 09:47 AM

here is the xorg.conf that is generated by default after the installation of the latest ATI driver.

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "layout1"
Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension
Load "v4l" # Video for Linux
Load "extmod"
Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx" # 3D layer
Load "dri" # direct rendering
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"

#DontZap # disable <Ctrl><Alt><BS> (server abort)
# allows the server to start up even if the mouse does not work
#DontZoom # disable <Ctrl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> (resolution switching)
Option "allowmouseopenfail"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard1"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "ca"
Option "XkbOptions" "compose:rwin"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"

# TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.
# 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync
Identifier "monitor1"
VendorName "Plug'n Play"
ModelName "IBM G97"
HorizSync 30.0 - 96.0
VertRefresh 50.0 - 160.0
ModeLine "768x576" 50.0 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630
ModeLine "768x576" 63.1 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "device1"
Driver "radeonhd"
VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc"
BoardName "ATI Radeon X1300 and later"
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Driver "fglrx"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "screen1"
Device "device1"
Monitor "monitor1"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "640x480" "480x360" "320x240"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "640x480" "480x360" "320x240"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "640x480" "480x360" "320x240"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "640x480" "480x360" "320x240"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
Device "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Monitor "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite"
EndSection

If I reeboot with that driver I will get a black screen and a frozen computer. So ..... What's wrong with it??

Swoopy

01-21-2008, 02:00 PM

here is the xorg.conf that is generated by default after the installation of the latest ATI driver.

If I reeboot with that driver I will get a black screen and a frozen computer. So ..... What's wrong with it??

1st, your xorg.conf contains two, conflicting, "screen" sections. One still invokes "device1" which is the section containing a reference to the radeonhd drvier.
The other invokes "aticonfig-Device[0]" which contains a reference to fglrx.

The latter one SHOULD be the one that gets loaded but it is probably a good idea to clean up your xorg.conf to remove all those references that are tied in to the "screen" invocation with Identifier "screen1".

2nd. You are probably hitting the same problem that I've been hitting with almost any fglrx driver since release build 8.42 or so (Catalyst 7-9 linux equivalent, they didn't switch to 7-?? numbering until 7-11) with my HD2600XT AGP (and no driver before 8.42 supported the HD2xxx series cards):
a hanging X screen.
Usually it blacks out showing nothing but with 7-11 / 8.433 I managed to get it working somewhat, until the first button on screen had to be drawn (the Greeter login button) at which point the rest of the screen would be filled with white in 64x64 pixel blocks. And hang the system.
Apparently the fglrx driver doesn't like resolutions other thant multiples of 64 by multiples of 64, which might explain the hang but I've no idea how to force it down from the 1600x1200 that I usually run my display at.
Probably add the proper MOdes line to xorg.conf but at this point I've decided not to bother any longer.
I should probably go back to that driver and try with 1280x1024, but I have radeonhd working in 1600x1200, so why bother?
I'll just wait until the developers of radeonhd add support for 3D / OpenGL.
I need the 1600x1200 more (photo editing and the like) than I need the 3d accel (GoogleEarth being the only app I used to use that truly needs it).
Until then, I've given up on fglrx on my shiny new but seemingly rather unsupported AGP card.

bridgman

01-21-2008, 02:11 PM

Apparently the fglrx driver doesn't like resolutions other than multiples of 64 by multiples of 64, which might explain the hang but I've no idea how to force it down from the 1600x1200 that I usually run my display at.
Probably add the proper MOdes line to xorg.conf but at this point I've decided not to bother any longer.

As I understand it, only the workstation code paths (ie the ones which run on FireGL parts) have the 64-pixel issue. Your card should not care about having H resolution be a multiple of 64 pixels.

[EDIT] Looks like there is a workaround for the 64-bit issue -- using a slightly wider virtual screen which *is* a multiple of 64 even if your physical screen is not.

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=31720

nadro

01-21-2008, 06:03 PM

I also have this problem with my Radeon 2600 PRO for AGP :( I use Fedora 7 and system is freeze when GDM is starting. On RHGB it's all ok... With Radeon 9550 it's all ok so system is properly configured.

fred

01-23-2008, 06:37 AM

so this driver work for red hat but not with fedora???

nadro

01-23-2008, 10:27 AM

I think than this driver doesn't work with any distribution if You have Radeon HD 2xxx for AGP. You can run driver on Red Hat? What version?

fred

01-23-2008, 06:32 PM

bridgman

01-23-2008, 08:28 PM

Maybe Red Hat Graphical Boot ?

Michael

01-23-2008, 08:32 PM

Yes, Red Hat Graphical Boot. Though RHGB uses vesafb.

With the GDM system freeze when starting is it a blank black screen? If so, try removing the "rhgb" argument from GRUB and then booting. RHGB won't start, but better chances that GDM will start without freezing. I've experienced that bug multiple times a number of months ago, but these days I am not running many Fedora/RH* boxes.

nadro

01-24-2008, 10:43 AM

Thanks for tip, but without Red Hat Graphical Boot system is also freeze when GDM is started. Currently I use xorg 7.1, meybe is better update it to 7.3?

fred

01-24-2008, 07:32 PM

I'm summiting a service ticket for this card on the AMD website. If other could do the same, it would be a great way to get thing moving.

nadro

01-25-2008, 11:01 AM

I try update xorg and kernel for the latest version, but this wasn't solved my problem:(

fred

01-25-2008, 02:38 PM

Nadro please file a service ticket

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894

The more we complain the more chance we have to have our video card fixed !

My service ticket is this one:737-1311327

nadro

01-25-2008, 03:49 PM

I write to AMD with this problem per ticket system, but I have answer, than for Linux drivers they aren't offer technical support, so We must wait for new Catalyst version.

fred

01-28-2008, 05:07 PM

I just receive the Last message from AMD/ATI

They do not support this card and they never will!!!!!

So Who want to trade a HD2600 Pro agp against a 7600gt agp ???

Kano

01-28-2008, 05:12 PM

The AGP cards are more or less unsupported addons. You can also have got huge problems with V when you own a nforce3 board and a dual core CPU. Best way: sell you old AGP board and buy a new one with PCI-E. Maybe use the time for a real system upgrade...

Swoopy

01-29-2008, 02:25 AM

Can you post a copy of the message you received, fred?
This is disappointing news as I quite recently invested in the AGP card since my dual-core + 4 GB DDR433 memory AGP-based system is otherwise quite up-to-date.
There's still the on-going development in the radeonhd driver though, so all my hope is not lost :-)

nadro

01-29-2008, 11:02 AM

Yes, if You can please put on this forum this message. I thnik than ATI don't support and newer will be Radeon for Linux, but not sapport per Drivers, only technical support:) I think than next release of Catalyst will be ok:)

FreeBzH

01-29-2008, 07:07 PM

The same here...

I just bought a Sapphire Radeon HD 2400 pro AGP, yesterday...

Ticket opened : http://support.ati.com/ics/support/ticketview.asp?ticket_id=1312771

Kano

01-29-2008, 07:42 PM

FreeBzH

01-29-2008, 08:23 PM

Well not only for Linux AGP is a really bad investment. When you use nForce 3 and DualCore you are forced to use Nvida Gfx cards if you intend to use Vista for dual boot or so. I would return the card if possible...

I wasn't expecting so much :), just to run my video card on my MSI KT600 AGP with an AMD XP Barton 2500+

I am waiting for an answer from AMD now... and will see... but I'm very surprise by first answer some guys could had (never supported card)... it's quite new, with an simple AGP bus... it's too easy as answer.

I bought it because http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html clearly says there is driver for this card... but there is not...

So right now, it's a scam for all those who will bought an AGP version.

Kano

01-29-2008, 08:25 PM

Whats the output of

lspci -n|grep 0300:

FreeBzH

01-29-2008, 09:05 PM

Whats the output of

lspci -n|grep 0300:

I am not front of the good computer but for the record,

It was :

VGA controller compatible: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 94c4

fred

01-29-2008, 09:32 PM

I am not front of the good computer but for the record,

It was :

VGA controller compatible: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 94c4

For me it's

[fred@localhost ~]$ lspci -n|grep 0300:
01:00.0 0300: 1002:9587

Kano

01-29-2008, 09:37 PM

FGL_ASIC_ID(0x94C4), // ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP (RV610 94C4)

FGL_ASIC_ID(0x9587), // ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP (RV630 9587)

In theory both are included in 8.01 driver. Maybe play with AGP Size setting in BIOS.

fred

01-29-2008, 09:39 PM

fred

01-29-2008, 09:50 PM

Just a question could this setting in aticonfig be useful to us??

--max-gart-size=NUMBER
Set user-defined max GART size for non-AGP systems.
Possible integer values are from 64 to 512 (mb).

fred

01-29-2008, 10:09 PM

I try what you ask and nothing work :(

I will try setting the max-gart manually in aticonfig

fred

01-29-2008, 10:20 PM

Nope it still doesn't work

I just hope that one of the DEV at ATI show up in this tread to give us a hand.

PLeeeaaase.;)

illwieckz

01-30-2008, 01:47 PM

There's still the on-going development in the radeonhd driver though, so all my hope is not lost :-)

This message was posted with an HD 2600 PRO AGP, and I'm not using vesa but RadeonHD driver :).

Yes, no 3D, only one head... but an official driver using official documentation works. We can hope that when 3D (and multihead support) will be added to the radeonhd driver this card will also benefit of this also.

For the moment, a Geforce4 PCI allows more things but my hope is not lost too (I hope too that we would not wait too much for a long time :D) !

bridgman

01-30-2008, 02:55 PM

Kano

01-30-2008, 02:57 PM

Mayber add again that modelines are broken... I get a X server crash when trying modelines with Xorg 7.1.1 (etch).

fred

01-30-2008, 07:31 PM

bridgman

01-30-2008, 09:27 PM

I have asked about options for the short term and will post back if anything good turns up.

SirYes

01-31-2008, 12:18 AM

I have asked about options for the short term and will post back if anything good turns up.

Thank you very much. I'm waiting patiently for Linux driver to improve.
Just don't let me hold my breath too long ;)

N-0-X

02-02-2008, 06:51 AM

Vargas

02-02-2008, 03:28 PM

Yes, I'm very impatient also!

I bought a HD 2400 Pro (just to view movies in HD) this week after seeing that the driver was online, too bad I didn't know it was the PCI-E version that worked and *not* the AGP one...

Keep us posted, thanks!

I'm in the same as you, only that I bought it in last November.

FreeBzH

02-03-2008, 09:23 AM

I have asked about options for the short term and will post back if anything good turns up.

We are all waiting for ;)

Thanks in advance !

Swoopy

02-03-2008, 09:44 AM

This is a known issue, and it is being worked on.

We pushed a Windows driver with HD2xxx AGP support out a week or two ago and at first glance it seems to be working for users who had been experiencing problems. On the Linux side, we are going to update the release notes in the next driver to make it clear that AGP support for HD2xxx parts is not yet there, so you will be able to see when support arrives.

Thanks for keeping us abreast of developments, bridgman!
You're doing your employer a great service with this, too bad it can't be put into $$$$ value easily.

Regarding the Windows AGP HD2xxx driver, AFAIK there never was an issue like the one we're seeing with Linux fglrx now,
I could get 7-10, 7-11 and 7-12 working with Windows by force-installing them, it's just that an INF file in the installer did not include all chipset IDs so that when setup.exe was launched, it wouldn't recognise a supported (or at least working chipset) card in the system.

Sapphire had/has a knowledge base articel on their website on how to modify that INF and H.I.S. has a self-modified version of the Catalyst 7-10 bundle on their website that I suspect will work with all HD2xxx AGP cards.

If I'm correct then the update to the 8-1 driver for AGP was a DirectX fix on an issue that got introduced with the ordinary Catalyst 8-1 release?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would be positively surprised if looking into the Windows situation would provide much help for the Linux fglrx issues with the HD2xxx card.

Despite (relatively minor) installation issues the Windows XP drivers have been working with these cards pretty okay all the time since their release in September, at least as far as Catalyst 7-x (x=9 to 12) are concerned.

bridgman

02-03-2008, 11:49 AM

It's not that simple, unfortunately. It wasn't a DirectX bug, despite the fact that patching in an older DX binary helped. There was a chipset-specific aspect as well, so different users had wildly different perceptions of how well the drivers worked.

N-0-X

02-03-2008, 01:24 PM

Thanks for these couple clarifications.
About the Linux fglrx driver, is there any way to make the hardware HD decoder work with the current driver, by tweaking a couple options (maybe GLX isn't even necessary)? That would already be a huge advancement.

bridgman

02-03-2008, 02:07 PM

Quick answer is no. Improvements in rendering (the back-end part, TexturedVideo etc.) can come in a bit at a time, but adding HD decode support requires a big chunk of new code.

N-0-X

02-03-2008, 02:17 PM

Okay, thanks, but that mean the feature will not be available anytime soon, right? And also, if I understand correctly, even if the current fglrx driver was working, it would not support HD decode, correct? Does the windows driver support it?

Thanks for your time.

Nexus7

02-05-2008, 09:53 AM

bridgman

02-05-2008, 10:48 AM

Initial support for 6xx AGP on Windows had been released but there were problems reported on a number of chipsets. We published a hotfix release a few weeks ago which seems to have addressed those issues, and those updates will appear in subsequent regular Windows releases.

Support for 6xx AGP on Linux has not yet been released, but it is being worked on. In the meantime we are going to update the notes to clearly distinguish between 6xx PCIE (which is supported) and 6xx AGP (which is not yet supported but is being worked on).

zydeko

02-06-2008, 04:53 PM

Yes, I'm very impatient also!

I bought a HD 2400 Pro (just to view movies in HD) this week after seeing that the driver was online, too bad I didn't know it was the PCI-E version that worked and *not* the AGP one...

Keep us posted, thanks!

Mmh... interesting. My HD2400 Pro PCI-E freezes the machines too, after running X-window a few seconds OR whenever starting GL programs...

nadro

02-13-2008, 05:05 PM

Ehhh... Catalyst 8.2 doesn't solve this issue :( problem is still, so We have to wait for Catalyst 8.3 or any Hotfix.

Swoopy

02-16-2008, 03:03 AM

Weirdly enough, the windows driver download page for Catalyst 8-2 suggests that on 2400 and 2600 chipsets, PCIe is the only supported form factor, yet the Windows XP 8-2 driver works just fine on my PC (dual-boot of Linux and WinXP) with an HD2600XT AGP card.
No noticeable improvement though but I haven't tested much yet (will try that Company of Heroes speed boost of 20% they claim but that isn´t exactly an framerate-intensive game)

fred

02-16-2008, 10:15 AM

The funny thing is that the hd 2600 pro and XT AGP are NOT exotic video card they are mainstream budget card that are sold by the thousand !!!! And since I was able to help a fellow Mandrivian on the official mandriva forum to install the latest driver for his HD3850 PCIE. I reasonably expected that a HD2600 pro would be supported by the latest driver since it has been release earlier.

But Noooooooo

PS: there is nothing in the release note of the latest AMD/ATI driver that say that those HD2XXX AGP are not supported!!!

Kano

02-16-2008, 10:20 AM

When there would have been a Linux sticker on the box you could sue em, but I think there is none ;) Best way: find a friend with NV AGP card and exchange it or return it if possible.

bridgman

02-16-2008, 01:49 PM

Windows support for HD2xx AGP was pushed out via hotfix in January.

EDIT -- seems that Cat 8.2 for Windows does *not* contain the AGP changes, ie Cat 8.3 will be the first Windows driver with the the AGP changes from the hotfix driver. This is not 100% definite, but that is the way it's looking right now. When I get back to the office on Tuesday I'll try to get this confirmed.

fred

02-16-2008, 03:52 PM

Windows support for HD2xx AGP was pushed out via hotfix in January, and Cat 8.2 was the first regular driver to include it. Linux AGP support is being implemented now.

Whoohoo Kepp us inform :D:D:D I'm glad to hear this

If you guy's ever need a few Beta tester ;););)

bridgman

02-16-2008, 07:32 PM

BTW, not mentioning HD2xxx in the release notes was my fault -- I didn't get to the release note folks in time.

nadro

02-17-2008, 07:27 AM

Windows support for HD2xx AGP was pushed out via hotfix in January, and Cat 8.2 was the first regular driver to include it. Linux AGP support is being implemented now.

Hotfix from January was installed properly on my Windows system, but in games with DirectX I have many artefacts. Catalyst 8.2 hasn't got support for AGP cards, because in *.ini file this drivers doesn't have support for ID: 9587 (Radeon 2600 PRO), so I have to install Omega Drivers, and it works better than Catalyst, I don't have artefacts in DX games. Sorry for Offtop:)

For Linux drivers I have hope than next release or earlier Hotfix will be have support for AGP cards:)

Swoopy

02-17-2008, 07:32 AM

Windows support for HD2xx AGP was pushed out via hotfix in January, and Cat 8.2 was the first regular driver to include it. Linux AGP support is being implemented now.

Thanks for clearing that up bridgman, as for the bit about the Linux readme not mentioning the AGP issue.
(And sorry for my ranty bit on another thread about using the PCIe WinXP drivers on AGP since version 7-11 - I really did, and I never saw the DirectX issue)
:)

bridgman

02-17-2008, 01:36 PM

It looks like I didn't really clear things up after all :(

It appears that Cat 8.2 did *not* include the AGP changes since it was already locked down by the time the hotfix happened, so Cat 8.3 will probably be the first regular release with the newer AGP support. The folks who are having good results with AGP and Cat 8.2 also seem to be the ones who worked OK with the earlier drivers as well.

I have edited my earlier post to correct this as well.

Drakkenfyre

02-18-2008, 06:09 AM

When there would have been a Linux sticker on the box you could sue em, but I think there is none ;) Best way: find a friend with NV AGP card and exchange it or return it if possible.

Well, it does say on the box that it works in Windows, but it doesn't, so don't feel like they're just out to get Linux users.

Also, I've used other Sapphire cards with Debian, with no out-of-the-ordinary problems. I just think there are serious hardware architecture issues with this card. No matter what OS you use, there seem to be some problems. And the AGP bridge chip runs very hot.

Nexus: It still isn't working for a lot of Windows users. Even now that it's been a known issue for some time.

And SirYes or anyone else, can you tell me what the "DPMS" option is? Thanks.

Kano

02-18-2008, 09:31 AM

How about releasing a "Hotfix" driver for Linux? Waiting 1 month for next one is not really acceptable for this issue.

bridgman

02-18-2008, 09:55 AM

It depends on when the work is finished. We have a fair amount of flexibility scheduling releases so there are options betweeen "hotfix" and "wait a month".

Oneshot112

02-19-2008, 10:15 PM

Today has been a day of frustration. Just purchased the card to play HD movies only to find that the card might as well be a brick at this point.

$140 canadian that I'm hoping will eventually be called 'well spent' sooner or later. Thank you bridgman for keeping us informed, I wish for good news very soon.

fred

02-22-2008, 06:10 PM

Well this is a little up for this tread.

Does anybody has any news what so ever on the driver fix for the agp version for the HD2XXX cards???

fred

03-01-2008, 11:41 AM

up

Before this tread is forgotten!

dungeon

03-02-2008, 03:08 AM

Just to say: Because i use only Linux, when this thread has been solved, i'm directly running to buy Sapphire 2600Pro or XT AGP:)

Kano

03-02-2008, 12:41 PM

@bridgman

march is here and no hotfix, so guess who was right?

bridgman

03-02-2008, 09:16 PM

Right about what ?

Kano

03-02-2008, 09:49 PM

That ATI will not deliver a hotfix for this issue.

bridgman

03-03-2008, 09:31 AM

I don't think anyone was expecting a hotfix, were they ? We had already said that this was a development task, not a bug fix.

fred

03-03-2008, 04:11 PM

Bridgman just put yourself in our shoes for a minute. We bought *** a video card that is as useful as a paper weigh!?! So yes we where expecting a hotfix from your company. After all those card are pretty mainstream and They have been on the market for a few month.

PS: I would like to know how to contact the QA manager at AMD.

***(In my case it cost me 150$ a month and a half ago)

bridgman

03-03-2008, 05:24 PM

fred

03-03-2008, 09:09 PM

Sorry fred, what I meant was that since this required development work not just a quick fix it was not likely to come out fast enough for a hotfix to make sense. We have some flexibility scheduling releases around new deliverables so it is more likely that we would pick a different week for the "monthly" release rather than inserting an additional release.

I understand that it is not alway has simple as it seem and that a lot of hard work go in the making of video driver.

I ask about contacting THE QA manager because I think that the fact that such a mainstream video card is not supported is something that should never happen. Because it does the company real harm in the market. And that something that need to be look at by management.

lachyisded3

03-05-2008, 08:26 AM

I agree with the upping of such thread.
Because I also just purchased a sapphire hd2600pro.
And driver support is shocking.
And crysis runs in maybe 15fps in any setting, same with gears of war and UT3.
Pretty disappointing and I have the hotfix installed and the latest directx.
I even tried the dx10 alternative which is a bitch to uninstall that is if I even have it uninstalled at the moment:S
And I would really love to get working drivers for this card.
Or do you think its because I havent really had the card warm up to the graphics and usual play of the games.
They use to run fine on my 9600xt.
But this card is just shocking with some games.
It runs timeshift alright and the first time I played GOW it was fine but laggy and after that it just got worse.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Lach.

fred

03-05-2008, 10:07 AM

What hotfix could you explain a litle bit please???

bridgman

03-05-2008, 10:46 AM

I think it's the Windows hotfix from late January.

Spero

03-05-2008, 04:42 PM

Well, as soon as I noticed this thread, I signed up and read every post here. I have bought the same graphic card, Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP, finding out there wasn't any driver, sure wasn't good to hear. I check the ATI homepage 1 min later, and what do I see? The new version 8.3 :] When I had checked it only 2 min earlier with the old still there, 8.2

Now the BAD news: Trying to install this new version didn't work for me. Still getting the same error message, unsupported hardware or like that. Taking a look at the release notes, nothing in it (far as I could tell) mentions added AGP support.

nadro

03-05-2008, 05:11 PM

Yes, Catalyst 8.3 for Windows doesn't support Radeon 2600 for AGP... I will try C8.3 for Linux... but link doesn't work... I like ATI products, I always bought only ATI cards, but this situation is not fair for users...

theblackkat

03-05-2008, 05:43 PM

yeap, link doesn't work....

=/

bridgman, thanks for keeping us informed...
but i would realy appreciate some confirmation about 8.3 for linux supporting our card...

:rolleyes:

theblackkat

03-05-2008, 06:50 PM

link is working now.....

*-*

Spero

03-05-2008, 07:05 PM

link is working now.....

*-*

Glad to hear that ;) I'll keep on hoping the next catalyst, 8.4, will have agp support...for Windows XP

theblackkat

03-05-2008, 07:54 PM

good news everyone!!!!

i downloaded and succesfully instaled Catalyst 8.3 on my Ubuntu 7.10, and guess what....

IT WORKED!!!!!!!

everything seems to be alright, here is my output of fglrxinfo:

display: :0.0 screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP
OpenGL version string: 2.1.7412 Release

happy "HD2600 PRO AGP-ing"!!!!!

and thanks to everyone who made this happen..... ^^

fred

03-05-2008, 08:43 PM

Ok not bad The card now work with the performance equivalent of a radeon 9250 card!!!!!

WTF did you guy's do at AMD did you test the driver on a few AGP HD2XXX before releasing this driver?

I hope that someone has some tweak for this driver because this card is returning in it's box again!

fred

03-05-2008, 09:28 PM

compiz-fusion with AIGLX is OK But the gaming performance still is on par with a radeon 9250!!!

C'mon your so close HDR work and motion blur work too BTW

lachyisded3

03-05-2008, 10:22 PM

Yes the january hotfix.
And gears of war still isnt working and Ive done a system restore.
Its this DX10 for xp it doesnt work.
But before I had it installed and just in general the card ran really badly with like 15fps in ANY game.
Lachy.:mad:

nadro

03-06-2008, 10:48 AM

fred

03-06-2008, 11:24 AM

Drivers works properly on my Fedora :) Performance of speed isn't good, but this is first good step for 2xxx series AGP for Linux :) I run application on Linux (Catalyst 8.3) and Windows XP (the latest Omega Drivers) and on Linux I have about 160FPS, on Windows 310FPS, I hape than performance of speed will be better in C8.4:)

What kind of application did you test???

Just to give you an idea I tested my HD2600 pro with Doom3 and at 800X600, Medium quality the best it can do is 15 FPS !?!?:eek: in the time demo. My Radeon 9800 pro give my 53 fps at the same setting!!!:cool:

In window I can play Doom3 with my HD2600 pro at 1080X768 at Ultra Quality 2X antialliasing and I get 63 FPS in the Time demo.

So guess what I put my brand new card in it's box yet again!:mad:

nadro

03-06-2008, 02:44 PM

I use small test application from Irrlicht Engine SDK ;) I have problem with rebooting. With Catalyst 8.3 when my PC is rebooting after all shutdown communicates my PC is crashing...

theblackkat

03-06-2008, 05:56 PM

first of all, sorry for double-posting there....

well, after some tests, it is obvious that something is very wrong... but, at least the driver works.... i don't play any game on linux (only on window$), so it is almost ok for me now....

EDIT:

actually, it is not ok.... my overall system performance, is even worse than with the "vesa" driver.... even with all effects and stuff disabled.....
maybe i'm doing something wrong here....

=/

fred

03-06-2008, 10:37 PM

I bought this card because I wanted to play the game enemy territory Quake wars! If I only wanted to be able to play with compiz My 9800 pro already does that really well! So if someone at AMD could just explain when we will have an adequate driver for the HD26XX AGP family that would be nice!

nadro

03-07-2008, 02:20 AM

I also wanted to play the game Enemy Territory Quake Wars! and Doom 3, but currently with this performance I can't...

neovatar

03-07-2008, 07:55 AM

Hi folks,

first of all I discovered the phoronix forums on my (k)nightly quest to get my "HIS Radeon HD 2600 XT Turbo AGP" running under linux and windows xp. The community and information here is priceless, kudos to all of you for that. This is the definitely place to do research, before you buy some video hardware :)

On monday my old x800 based ATI AGP card died and I got myself a new card (HD 2600 AGP). Starting with windows I was quite surprised, that the official driver did not find any ATI hardware. You know the story, at least the HIS supported drivers did work ...

I use Linux as primary working OS, so I tried to get the card running. The combination of my trusted Ubuntu 7.04 and the official catalyst 8.2 fglrx only resulted in kernel crashes or the driver did not find any hardware (I tried the last five official drivers and the repository ones). I upgraded to 7.10, was able to build+load the fglrx driver. But again, no HD 2600 AGP card supported.

I love to play around with linux, kernel and drivers, but I really lost patience this time. The official AMD/ATI drivers simply did not work with my card, neither under linux nor windows (you know, there is a nice little sticker on the box "certified for windows").

The open source drivers did a much better job, as they were actually working. I got the card working with the radeonhd and the radeon drivers (both checked out via git and self compiled). Unfortunately the 2D acceleration is very new and there is no 3D acceleration (which I need in Linux). Big kudos to the open source community, for supplying a working driver for my card. The chip manufacturer of course was not able to do it. Interesting.

I ordered an nvidia card, the AMD/ATI card will go back in its nice little box. The only thing that will get it out of there again, is to test new versions of the radeon or radeonhd open source drivers. I am so done with AMD/ATI cards and the catalyst driver. Reading the reports about catalyst 8.3, I decided not to even try it. I will live with radeonhd until my new card arrives.

ATI, you lost a customer here. And yes, I like some cheese with the whine :mad:

eneko

03-07-2008, 05:30 PM

The open source drivers did a much better job, as they were actually working. I got the card working with the radeonhd and the radeon drivers (both checked out via git and self compiled).
Hi neovatar, I have not be able to run the 8.3 drivers neither. I would like to try the radeonhd free drivers, could you explain me how to install them or where to get info about installing?

Thanks in advance

Michael

03-07-2008, 05:32 PM

Hi neovatar, I have not be able to run the 8.3 drivers neither. I would like to try the radeonhd free drivers, could you explain me how to install them or where to get info about installing?

Thanks in advance

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=11067

Swoopy

03-08-2008, 03:12 AM

fglrx from Cat 8-3 is still not working on my HIS Radeon HD 2600 XT IceQ Turbo AGP. It is on a Via K8T800Pro chipset mainboard with 4 GB of RAM.
Did anyone get the fglrx driver to work (with DRI on preferrably) on an AGP-based RadeonHD 2xxx card?
If yes, what steps did you follow?

TIA
(feeling more and more like what neovatar expressed a few posts back:( )

eneko

03-08-2008, 06:29 AM

Thanks Michael for the URL, I'll try it now.

As feedback I didn't get to work fglrx 8.3 with a Shapire HD 2600 Pro AGP.

I agree with Swoopy, it would be great if someone explained how to get the driver working.

I want to think this situation is an error that AMD/ATI aren't being to repeat. I must thank them for the position towards FLOSS community they are adopting and hope that this problem will be resolved as soon as possible. Don't desperate, this is a transitional bad time until the FLOSS driver is the official one ;)