Mir 0.19 Brings Fixes, Mir 0.20 Now In Development

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Mir 0.19 Brings Fixes, Mir 0.20 Now In Development

Mir 0.19 was quietly released at the end of last week while Mir 0.20 is now officially under development with the latest Bazaar code...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mir-0.19-Released

[pal666]

remind me, they started developing mir to make it sooner than wayland?

[Herem]

remind me, they started developing mir to make it sooner than wayland?

Software development doesn't stop after it is released. It's been running on Ubuntu Touch for some time now.

[Guest]

remind me, they started developing mir to make it sooner than wayland?

I thought they started Mir in order to overcome some limitations of Wayland?

[unixfan2001]

remind me, they started developing mir to make it sooner than wayland?

Actually, no. They gave plenty of other reasons for it.

End-to-end control was mentioned. As was aiming for something a bit more like Xorg.
There are lots of fundamental differences between Mir and Wayland.

EDIT:

http://blog.cooperteam.net/2013/03/artistic-differences.html

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec

[shmerl]

They started it because they didn't do proper research and had no clue about Wayland progress. And now they simply copy what Wayland and its compositors are doing. So much for NIH syndrome. With the way things are going, they'll eventually drop Mir and switch to Wayland, because Mir doesn't offer anything useful on its own.

[TheBlackCat]

Actually, no. They gave plenty of other reasons for it.

And pretty much all of those reasons ended up being false.

[unixfan2001]

And pretty much all of those reasons ended up being false.

Well. The end to end stuff wasn't. It's certainly easier for them to change the licensing to their liking later on.
Furthermore, since, contrary to Wayland, Mir is not a well defined protocol itself, it should give them more headroom to also replace that one to their liking.

It also really is more Xorg like than Wayland is, in every possible way.
Sadly, that also includes the performance (gave Unity 8 a try. It's nowhere near as polished as Weston).

EDIT: For what it's worth, I heard Canonical engineers were also unhappy with Wayland's stability guarantees. They want to change things to their liking, even if it breaks something in the process.

[Luke_Wolf]

They started it because they didn't do proper research and had no clue about Wayland progress. And now they simply copy what Wayland and its compositors are doing. So much for NIH syndrome. With the way things are going, they'll eventually drop Mir and switch to Wayland, because Mir doesn't offer anything useful on its own.

This ^ is the correct answer as to why Mir was created.

[Cerberus]

They started it because they didn't do proper research and had no clue about Wayland progress. And now they simply copy what Wayland and its compositors are doing. So much for NIH syndrome. With the way things are going, they'll eventually drop Mir and switch to Wayland, because Mir doesn't offer anything useful on its own.

You sure it doesnt offer anything useful? How about in house control over your display server and thus technology you can sell and is tied to it, they can adapt it to their needs, no need to wait for upstream to approve your patches and if you patch it all in house then you can create a product of your own instead.

And you are wrong that they will drop Mir, it powers Ubuntu phones and soon to come tablet, GTK applications work natively on it, other X applications run via XMir, sure its still in development phase, same as Wayland, but it is already far enough that dropping it wouldnt be feasible, you dont simply drop something you invested a lot of resources and development time on, not to mention you already have products on the market that use it, more products will be shown on MWC 2016 and all of them will run on Mir.