"Berlin pirates force FDP to walk the plank"

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Originally Posted by Panix

Obama lied and continues to lie. Obama ran on a platform to 'be different' from the previous regime but is still in Iraq.

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Did you mean Afghanistan? Obama never said he would leave there. And he basically has left Iraq, although I guess there might still be a few troops still there.

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More or less, he's continued the same policies. He increased the debt and brought it to about 14 trillion.

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Pretty sure he never made a campaign promise to reduce the debt, and I don't think anyone has ever elected a Democrat expecting that to happen.

Now, I would absolutely agree that he's gone back on certain promises, but those examples seem a little odd to pull out. He's just like every other politician, he passes what he can get and avoids doing the stuff that would get him voted out.

Just thought I'd point to the part of the headline that says "Berlin". As in a single city. Where the news isn't so much about the Pirate Party gaining a foothold, so much as one of the "stronger" parties being kicked out in local (not federal) elections. It's a wake-up call to the other parties that their power resides with the people and they'd better listen to those people.
It won't change anything on a national level directly. Indirectly, it's great exposure of the PP and may lead to other things down the track, but that's all that can be said there.

OT I know, but there is an interesting site that makes an attempt to track political promises against delivery:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises/obameter/

Not being american I don't care much one way or the other (although for the world's sake, I'm glad Bush is gone), but I think that the attempt to track performance against promises is a great idea and should be rolled out much more widely

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Originally Posted by AnonymousCoward

People do not choose for DRM. It's something that the big content mafia are trying to impose on the people. But I guess you are okay with that, businesses imposing things, as long as it's not done by democratically elected officials, no we can't have that...

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Where are you seeing that "big content mafia" are forcing people to put DRM into their open source software? Where are you seeing that "big content mafia" are forcing people to put DRM into their DRM-free songs sold on a DRM-free music store like MagnaTune? Where are you seeing that "big content mafia" are forcing people to put DRM into their closed-source games that's sold online (such as the humble indie bundle).... I'm just not seeing it happen at all...

The "big content mafias" own the content that they make and if they want to put it under DRM, what concern is it to you? Don't buy it, don't use it, don't support it... But supporting a political group that specifically starts forcing content creators to meet their agenda I think is not good whether it be for or against DRM... Content creators should always have a choice what they do with their content and if they shoot themselves in the foot by making something DRM where people don't want it, that's their problem..

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

If they're really for human rights, why is the pirate party trying to dictate to people what they should and should not be using

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in my knowledge the pirates do not do that. this is only in your imagination. without any reality.

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

instead of giving people choice?

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the first choice they give to the people is no one is forced to vote the pirates.
the second choice is they are not want force private people to use openssource solutions they wana use opensource solution in Gov.

so you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

Do you think people are not smart enough

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are you an example for these kind of people?

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

to make the right choices and so need a pirate party to dictate to them what they should be doing? What's going to happen to peoples' right to choose between DRM and non-DRM after the pirate party bans DRM?

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DRM rape and stole the freedome of choice for every human ban DRM means give the people the freedome of choice!

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

How are they going to be expanding "Human rights" when they have absolute goals like banning DRM and in doing so limiting people's choices... Certainly a lot of companies will just decide to not do business in Germany if Germany takes that course of action..

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there is no human right to force other people to lose human rights by DRM!

even you can't lose human Rights by your own choise so you can't give up your human right on DRM systems because you can not sell your Human rights even if you chose to sell it.

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

It's not just DRM either, they're going to be cutting into the copyright law as well. Significantly reducing how long somebody can claim ownership over works that they've done.

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its simple the EU expand the time this year ... why it is not valid to have a party how want cut down the time?

its about free dome of choose in a democracy if the people wana cut down the time they vote for pirates.

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

It might sound nice for open-source software, but it can significantly damage copy-left because the GPL license that you put on your source code can be removed and replaced with whatever license any corporation or individual wants once your copyright claim on the code expires. So basically everything becomes public domain and all the nasty things that foreign corporations can do (taking your source code, making a tiny change to it to make it incompatible and then hiding the source code) they'll be able to do more easily because your copyright expires sooner.. Copy-left depends heavily on copyright and here the pirate party is saying that they're planning to significantly cripple copyright law..

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sure but time is only number. now you have 75 years why not 1000 years? or 100000 years? why is any higher number valid for you and every lower number is a invalid suggestion ?

in that point you are only a fake! higher time number is ok for you but lower not.

and you talk about freedom of choice and democracy LOL!

really a joke!

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

The whole pirate party just seems like it's half-baked to me..

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just don't vote for the pirates!

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

Despite all the buzz words that have been thrown around for the pirate party, I just can't see how they're going to accomplish what they say they're going to accomplish by doing what they say they're going to do..

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just vote the party you chose.

Wikipedia page on them but I doubt the basic premise would be debated...
"The party supports the preservation of current civil rights in telephony and on the Internet; in particular, it opposes the European data retention policies and Germany's new Internet censorship law called Zugangserschwerungsgesetz. It also opposes artificial monopolies and various measures of surveillance of citizens.
The party favors the civil right to information privacy and reforms of copyright, education, computer science and genetic patents.
It promotes in particular an enhanced transparency of government by implementing open source governance and providing for APIs to allow for electronic inspection and monitoring of government operations by the citizen."

"The agenda also includes support for a strengthening of the right to privacy, both on the Internet and in everyday life, and the transparency of state administration."

That looks ok to me.

I'll keep comments on Obama/U.S. politics brief since it's a German politics-based thread:
"Now, I would absolutely agree that he's gone back on certain promises, but those examples seem a little odd to pull out. He's just like every other politician, he passes what he can get and avoids doing the stuff that would get him voted out."

LOL. Ok.

Google 'Obama lies.'

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Tons of sources/sites. But, like I said, he conned people with a phony platform.

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Originally Posted by Panix

Google 'Obama lies.'

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Tons of sources/sites. But, like I said, he conned people with a phony platform.

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Sorry, dude, you're linking to a platform that sounds as if it just came out of Fox channel or so. In fact some links there lead to the Fox channel website. That's like what, Neonazis quoting Hitler?

You generally quote stuff that is considered neutral, say like Wikipedia. Then you can be taken halfway seriously.

And some of the claims there are really, really lame. For example his statement about the BP oil spill, "I will not rest until that gets fixed", and then examples for how he went to some golf tour a few days later.

"To not rest until" in this context and today almost in any context is a -saying-, and I really wonder why I actually have to explain it. It means to do all that is in your power for some cause. If there's an oil spill in the middle of the damn ocean, what do you expect the guy to do, dive into the water and use his body to shut it up? It's a complicated situation, a VERY complicated situation which I believe was historically a first time in how deep the hole was.

So seriously, what are you quoting such lameass news pornography? That proves nothing. I don't think Obama is worse than any other American politician of our time. They all act from the naive standpoint that America is actually still worth anything.

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Originally Posted by Panix

Google 'Obama lies.'

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Tons of sources/sites. But, like I said, he conned people with a phony platform.

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LOL, seriously? That's the proof you come up with? It reads like an oppositional campaign website.

The first link on there is "My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church" which is apparently a lie. Because he's a muslim? No, wait, he's a radical black man who hates America.

There's tons there that is opinion disguised as fact, others that are misrepresentations, and even a few that i would agree he's gone back on.

But for the most part, he's been just as honest with the public as any other politician. Lot's of people conned themselves into thinking he was for whatever they wanted him to be for, but if you go back and look at what he actually said, for the most part he has at least attempted to do it. Often with less success than most people hoped.

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Originally Posted by Panix

Wikipedia page on them but I doubt the basic premise would be debated...
"The party supports the preservation of current civil rights in telephony and on the Internet; in particular, it opposes the European data retention policies and Germany's new Internet censorship law called Zugangserschwerungsgesetz. It also opposes artificial monopolies and various measures of surveillance of citizens.
The party favors the civil right to information privacy and reforms of copyright, education, computer science and genetic patents.
It promotes in particular an enhanced transparency of government by implementing open source governance and providing for APIs to allow for electronic inspection and monitoring of government operations by the citizen."

"The agenda also includes support for a strengthening of the right to privacy, both on the Internet and in everyday life, and the transparency of state administration."

That looks ok to me.

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(ironie) NOOO you are Hitler!!!! if its ok for you.... the pirates are the EVIL Hitler! they wana be like Communism EVIL Hitler Communism!!! Communism-Fascism!!! (/ironie)

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Originally Posted by Michael

Not too nice, Q.... I dated a FDP representative before, but I'll let this thread go anyway...

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So how exactly your getting laid with a fascist has any relevance to this thread?