You are wrong, because you can't get enough power for apartment house from micro this and that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qaridarium
How about 1.7 million. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=german+subsidies+for+green+energyQuote:
Originally Posted by Qaridarium
As always you are wrong. Basically subsidies are newer facts just opinions. Whoever is getting subsidies doesn't normally see them as such.
LOL you are a Liar! the micro-H&P 1m³ alone do have 5KW and the south wall of the apartment can make 5KWp solar power to. and 1 single Savonius out of 1 windows can make 2,5KWpQuote:
Originally Posted by virta
BULLSHIT the germans prove this wrong multible times!Quote:
Originally Posted by virta
because of the Merit order effect.
Sources:
"↑ Erfahrungsbericht 2007 zum Erneuerbare-Energien-Gesetz. auf der Webseite des Bundesministeriums für Umwelt, Naturschutz und Reaktorsicherheit."
"↑ a b Frank Sensfuß, Mario Ragwitz: Analyse des Preiseffektes der Stromerzeugung aus erneuerbaren Energien auf die Börsenpreise im deutschen Stromhandel. auf der Webseite des Bundesministeriums für Umwelt, Naturschutz und Reaktorsicherheit. 18. Juni 2007."
"↑ Frank Sensfuß, Mario Ragwitz: Analyse des Preiseffektes der Stromerzeugung aus erneuerbaren Energien auf die Börsenpreise im deutschen Stromhandel. auf der Webseite des Bundesministeriums für Umwelt, Naturschutz und Reaktorsicherheit. 18. Juni 2007, S. 16."
"↑ Georg Erdmann: Kosten des Ausbaus der erneuerbaren Energien, Studie im Auftrag der Vereinigung der Bayerischen Wirtschaft e.V., München, 2011."
you only talk bullshit and FUD! its a shame please shot yourself-
Not small or powerful enough. Or too expensive. Really. I don't even have to google to know that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Qaridarium
Just like every other country proves to them selves in similar situation. Its just this and that tax or no tax model!?!? Independent statement from outside of germany might have some value. Oh, but my google link just did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qaridarium
That's how economy works.
EU vs Korea and "It's the other guy"-defence :)
I see the problem now, Quazimodo here thinks that everything is great because he has managed to get all of his power from his green energy installations. But, in the rest of the world, microscale generation is not realistic. I could put a small wind turbine on the roof of my house and get, maybe 20% of it's rated power. Solar PV is even worse because of the orientation of my house. It just isn't feasible for me, and I'm not the only one. Believe me, I've looked into it and I just won't get the return on investment that I'd need to pay for it.
Now, this debate about subsidies and feed in tariffs. A renewable energy supplier is guaranteed a rate of pay for every unit of electricity they produce, regardless of the actual cost of electricity at that time. In the UK, I think it is 45p per kWh, as opposed to a cost of about 15-20p per kWh. How do they make up the difference? Subsidies! No ifs, no buts, it is a subsidy, pure and simple.
it;s the ony way to get people to try and put renewable micro-generation on their homes.
I'd love to do it, but where I live, it would take 20 years before I get any sort of return. Oh, and the most modern PV or windmill only have a life span of 20-30 years, so I wouldn't get much out of it.
your intellectual horizon is really very small.Quote:
Originally Posted by virta
no one use 5KW H&P + 5KWp solar + 2,5KWp wind (per window) in a single apartment.
ask Michael even he don't use so much.
With this 3 systems you can run a smart grid also you only use the H&P in the night and if there is no wind.
then you try to have always 5KW
and again no one use so much!
and its cheap to in Germany because the KFW bank give you 100% credit and 100% guarantee for your project.
you fail here because: "Vereinigung der Bayerischen Wirtschaft e.V.," isn't a Government organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by virta
I'd say realist, but I'm sure you are meaning just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qaridarium
You fail here because it's not independent outsider either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qaridarium
hey now you need to be happy to write with an expert ;) i can help you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shielder
you only think in flat modules if you think about solar power. but because why? its stupid if your orientation of your house is wrong.
you need more advance stuff. like a energy solar tower on your roof: http://www.haustechnikdialog.de/News...5-angekuendigt this tower do not need the right orientation of your house.
"microscale generation is not realistic." it is ! i can search many many cheap products i know a advance H&P gas system (Stirling-driven) for 7000€ for you! and you can build a diesel version by your own in a isle system 5KW for 1000€ you also can use Water-diesel to save 8% diesel. (just buy a diesel generator and modification it to an H&P system and use Waterdiesel to improve the Electrify efficiency to 50%)
also the wind energy generator you just need a Savonius its very cheap and easy. and this "maybe 20% of it's rated power. " doesn't matter.
I'm a Energy Ninja you know? Maybe your Personal Energy Ninja?
no its not a Subsidies its peak loads payment. photoelectric power plants do peak loads in Germany 11,5GWQuote:
Originally Posted by Shielder
and peak load power plants are much more expensive than 0,45€ per 1kWh.
no you are wrong. photoelectric power plants do peak loads in Germany 11,5GWQuote:
Originally Posted by Shielder
and peak load power plants are much more expensive than 0,45€ per 1kWh.
no you can use Energy-Ninja power buy a Diesel-Generator convert it into a Water-Diesel-H&P and use rape oil!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shielder
then you have 50% in electricity and 90% of overall efficiency.
and it only costs you 1000€!
5KW diesel power plant for 600€: http://compare.ebay.de/like/14058985...Types&var=sbar
you are just wrong!
trust me if you are clever you get 20% profit and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shielder
just try this buy a diesel power plant 600€ convert it into an H&P then you have a H&P power plant for 1000€ then use raps oil +water mixed into WaterDiesel then you are the king of green energy!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserdiesel
in germany 1 L raps oil cost you 1,4€ it does have 14kw you get 7kw el energy it costs you 0,2€ and you get 7kw heat for free.
Thats 0,07€/kwh with diesel which is not bad. With added bonus of great diesel engine noise :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Qaridarium
Problem is that you have written 20 pages worth of so much bad facts that nobody really can trust this.
Edit. Can't count. It's 0,25€/kwh witch isn't very good either. cost for electricity in finland with "transmission-cost" is ~0,13€/kwh when bying really small amounts (3000kwh/y for me)
i love that noise its the noise of a true solution ;) and if you ad water you get extra green noise bonus!Quote:
Originally Posted by virta
in Germany its 0,2€/kwh but the customer standard price is 0,29€Quote:
Originally Posted by virta
and you get heat for water for free!
this is only your point of view. just trust yourself buy your diesel generator and be happy with green energy!Quote:
Originally Posted by virta
in Germany its 0,2€ but you get heating for free ! you can calculate the costs of the heating to!Quote:
Originally Posted by virta
and i think your number 0,25€/kwh is wrong i calculate with the highest priced human consumer oil.
you can also use cheap oil
and you can use WOOD! you can convert it into an Wood-Gas-diesel pilot injection
then you drive 20% diesel and 80% wood and the wood is only 0,02€ per kwh
(0,02*0,8)+(0,2*0,2)= 0,016+0,04=0,056€ per 1KWh!
you really need professional help call this company: http://pcon-wind.de/index.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Shielder
http://pcon-wind.de/img_neu/img29.jpg
Annual Energy Balance S3-300-6.0 -> 5193,97 KWh