You mean nvidia or ati now? believe me nvidia has bugs that are ignored too so use the free driver.... nv vs radeon ... no contest really
My impression so far with NVidia is that they actually prefer to communicate with their community, like, you know, human beings. ATI usually stays silent or offers some very official-looking walls of text. My guess is that ATI has a USSR-like bureaucracy system in place or something, lol :-/
If you're stating that nouveau is still far behind radeon, you're wrong... ATM, nouveau is almost catching up radeon in a lot of things (except maybe on 2D acceleration, which I don't care too much, as for that I've an Intel SB IGP)... One of the most important things that nouveau, for instance, already does better than radeon in some situations (and as I've a nVidia optimus laptop) is power management... If I buy a new laptop with ATI hybrid graphics, my laptop will consume a lot of power and heat, whereas it seems nouveau (personal experience) already uses (at time of my Archbang install) a relatively lower power profile... that doesn't heat my laptop too much...
Btw, I know by the nvnews forums that there are problems with nVidia... one of them (and I think it's a shame), is that we have to install a community-based (unsupported?) program to use Optimus (Bumblebee), but aside of that, it was easy for me running my laptop with Bumblebee+nVidia Hybrid Graphics (now with the proprietary driver)...
Goodbye ATI and hello nvidia? so swap buggy wine and power consumption issues for almost jocular 2d performace and graphical corruption if you're talking blob vs blob. Neither free driver is perfect either but i'll take the radeon driver over the nouveu driver anyday given the choice.
The problem is that there isn't always a choice... there are lots of nvidia and amd gpus in existance, yes you may choose your next laptop or gpu purchase based on what driver you think is best or which company is shafting you the least but that will not help getting my sisters laptop gpu working in a reasonable and stable way.
by the way i don't have power issues with the radeon driver as far as i know - which distro are you running?
Well, before I bought my new laptop, I had a toshiba A200 with a HD2600 and ArchLinux x86_64. Every time I used FOSS ATI (I tried it last time on January this year), in the place I had my graphics card I couldn't stand my laptop in my lap and I had to switch to fglrx to make things less hot. Currently I still have an ATI card (4650AGP), but for me there are still some features FOSS ATI don't provide me. One of them (as this card is on a old desktop with a P4 processor) is the need of HW video decoding, and currently, I can only use it with fglrx + mplayer vaapi. If I play a 720p/1080p video with FOSS ATI, I'm not able to watch those videos... Furthermore, when I touch in the desktop case with FOSS ATI and fglrx, I sense (subjectively) some difference in the temperature... (distro of my desktop: Chakra Linux x86)
p.s.: Look at my previous posts too... I just don't want to be "bashed" by the decisions I've taken, ok?
@ RealNC: Welcome to NVIDIA Land....
I've been mulling over building a couple boxes using AMD's "APU" chipsets but ultimately decided I wanted to get something done with them and went Intel+Intel/NVIDIA. NVIDIA's blob is rock solid, stable, and has bells and whistles. Bugs/features, nothing beat's NVIDIA's blob... nothing.
That being said, the blob isn't perfect. I have had ALOT of issues with NVIDIA blobs on my latest system, particularly around 2D performance. I have a NUMA box (Dual LGA1366) and that causes all kinds of memory addressing issues you don't see elsewhere. Finally things are stable/working after I've resolved several issues ( http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110418 , http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...2D-Performance ) , but at the end of the day I've vowed against buying Tyan motherboards (when your mobo manufacturer refuses to fix BIOS bugs and instead tells you to buy new RAM? Really? I reluctantly did and still saw no improvements, and noone would take responsibility for that recommendation over there!), not against buying NVIDIA hardware.
I think the hardliner FOSS people need to acknowledge that theres more to Linux than "free"- its a technically superior and practical to use. I hope NVIDIA opens up (or at least provides doc) but their implementation is the most compatible and practical at this time, so I'm going to use that for the same reasons I use Linux- its better than the competition for my needs.
well i'm glad everything is sorted and everyone is happy now
I suppose the moral of this thread is to buy what you like based on whatever you think and GPU manufacturers are all bad because of their secrecy..
maybe the secrecy is the problem and not Xorg devs or communities
how can one kill that which does not live?
...and gentoo is definitely mainstream, its 10 years old and the gentoo community has arguably done more to further development of FLOSS than any other community. ATI may not even recognize gentoo exists but fglrx works fine on it as does the radeon driver and i don't have power or heat issues ..maybe because the fan isn't clogged with pubic hair