A Second Beta Of KDE SC 4.9 Released

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Originally Posted by ov1d1u

I used KDE until about a week ago, but somehow it seems to get buggy and buggy with every new release. In more than one year of using it, I seen how KDE breaks opening of XML-based files (bug reported by me), how my desktop icons order get messed up with every login, how the widgets forgets their size after logout and more.

I was a big fan of KDE 3.x series, but KDE 4 seems to be developed by some 10-years schoolboys...

P.S. Seems that the bug with opening XML-based files is still not fixed. A very nice experience for a developer who use Code::Blocks and wants to open a project file.

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You've got a problem then. Thankfully there aren't so many people who have such problems like you. Many people have problems with Gnome and KDE is simply much more stable.

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Originally Posted by uid313

Then what if you compare it against Windows, Mac, Xfce, Enlightenment, etc?
Then KDE is still complicated.

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KDE is no more complicated than Windows is, and 90% of the world seems to be just fine with that.

If you personally prefer something that's more similar to what GNOME does, then that's fine. Use GNOME, or whatever you like.

But this trolling that KDE is completely unusably complicated is nonsense.

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Originally Posted by ov1d1u

I used KDE until about a week ago, but somehow it seems to get buggy and buggy with every new release.

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That is simply not true.
What could be true is a packaging problem in a distribution.
openSUSE, usually with the best KDE support out there, committed a single patch to one package (a 3rd party dependency even, not a KDE package) to the add-on repository for 4.8 (= not default, because openSUSE 12.1 ships with 4.7 by default) and now KDE applications crash all over the place.

That was an oversight by an openSUSE member and had nothing to do with KDE somehow shipping buggy software. (Rebuilt packages without the faulty patch should be available sometime over the weekend.)

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Originally Posted by uid313

Shouldn't a desktop environment provide "sensible defaults" instead of presenting as many options, features and choices as possible?
Less is more.

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Maybe for you. Not for me. If you have different taste, use something different and shut up! Unity, GNOME, and so on are not my taste. That's why I do not use them and use KDE Plasma Desktop instead.

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Originally Posted by uid313

Always when I tried KDE, I found it very pretty, but I found it difficult to use.

The interface would be cluttered with buttons, menus, toolbars and stuff. They would cram as much as features and functionality into the GUI as possible.
I'd get overwhelmed by it. It lacks simplicity.

Also, I find it too difficult to use the KDE start menu, it required too much effort, navigation and clicks.

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All that stuff can be easily solved for your own taste in 5 minutes. Maybe 5 minutes is too much, may be too difficult

Maybe this DE is right one for you:

http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?t...y&page=gallery

i don`t know about bugs 4.8 was the first ever usable kde version for me. Same cpu mem usage as good old gnome2 and for what i do skype chatting torrents movies and other boring usual stuff works very fine. I turned off blur and some effects. I still miss the feature in gnome that mounted my pendrive in desktop and had the option to right click and format it, somehow this is missing in kde so i have to use gparted to format my pendrive. I use fedora kde spin and so far has been rock solid. I have to mention my crap harware is an athlon neo x2 with hd3200 very ugly exp with amd mobile platforms so far next time intel :D.

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Originally Posted by Alex Sarmiento

All that stuff can be easily solved for your own taste in 5 minutes. Maybe 5 minutes is too much, may be too difficult

Maybe this DE is right one for you:

http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?t...y&page=gallery

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I actually tried Sugar a long time ago.
I hated it.
I hope it has gotten better lately.

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Originally Posted by smitty3268

KDE is no more complicated than Windows is, and 90% of the world seems to be just fine with that.

If you personally prefer something that's more similar to what GNOME does, then that's fine. Use GNOME, or whatever you like.

But this trolling that KDE is completely unusably complicated is nonsense.

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You probably just don't use your computer.

KDE used to be my preferred DE but now it's just a pile of sh**. The KDE wallet is a useless, buggy mess and the constant notifications for updates even after you actually update is a total joke. Basically, you have to disable most of KDE crap. It's gone downhill and Gnome would be an easy choice except they decided to pollute their DE as well since Gnome3 is also a mess now.

Is XFCE a good compromise? It seems like the only choice out of the bloated DEs now. Although, maybe MATE and Cinnamon deserve a look? They look half decent (only check them on Mint so far).

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Originally Posted by Panix

You probably just don't use your computer.

KDE used to be my preferred DE but now it's just a pile of sh**. The KDE wallet is a useless, buggy mess and the constant notifications for updates even after you actually update is a total joke. Basically, you have to disable most of KDE crap. It's gone downhill and Gnome would be an easy choice except they decided to pollute their DE as well since Gnome3 is also a mess now.

Is XFCE a good compromise? It seems like the only choice out of the bloated DEs now. Although, maybe MATE and Cinnamon deserve a look? They look half decent (only check them on Mint so far).

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It seems that you are describing a bad KDE packing conf in your distro, since KDE doesn't notify about any kind of updates, and kwallet has been invisible for me for about 2 years now. Most kde features are there for you to be more productive and confortable. So you should blame your distribution for any untested packing or buggy KDE release that you may suffer.

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Originally Posted by Panix

You probably just don't use your computer.

KDE used to be my preferred DE but now it's just a pile of sh**. The KDE wallet is a useless, buggy mess and the constant notifications for updates even after you actually update is a total joke. Basically, you have to disable most of KDE crap. It's gone downhill and Gnome would be an easy choice except they decided to pollute their DE as well since Gnome3 is also a mess now.

Is XFCE a good compromise? It seems like the only choice out of the bloated DEs now. Although, maybe MATE and Cinnamon deserve a look? They look half decent (only check them on Mint so far).

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File bug reports. This is the first thing you should do when something doesn't work, but make sure it's a bug and check if it has been reported already.

https://bugs.kde.org/

KDE works beautifully for me, but admittedly I'm an avid Arch user and I tend to install a base (minimal) KDE and just add what I want. I find this works better for me then some of the bloated versions of other distros, not mentioning any names..

I also immediately install "Colibri", the Notify-OSD alternative for KDE, which looks nice and IMO nicer than the default KDE popup tray notification system, but it's all down to personal preference.

Screenie: http://i.imgur.com/a11XH.jpg

And it might just be my hardware but Dolphin rarely ever takes more than 1 second to fully launch for me, which is pretty good considering the features it has.

I can't wait for 4.9... though the only truely new flashy feature I know of is the animated wallpapers which is a bit of a gimmick, but will be nice I suppose. I'm sure there will be other nice improvements under the hood. I've heard a few people say that Kwin seems to have gained even more speed.