Teh optical media must die!!!!
You simply just cannot post without insulting the other guy, eh?
Originally Posted by XorEaxEax
Again: the "no demand" is in large parts due to a) BD burning being too expensive until about a year ago and b) many Linux-users telling people that K3B etc are just as good if not better than Nero!
Again, obviously there was no demand for Nero on Linux, if this has to do with there not being any demand for Bluray burning or not I can't say (and maybe the price drop you described in Bluray burners and media reflect that lack of demand in overall terms), but it's obvious not enough Linux users wanted Nero for it to be deemed worthwhile for them to support the platform. This prompted you to whine about people not buying it because YOU wanted that support, I mean WTF? I don't have a Bluray burner, my DVD burning needs are fully met with existing Linux FOSS tools, why would I (or anyone else who has no need for it's features) pay for Nero?
I've been banging this drum for about 2 years now (see my bug report) - and I was one of the first people to actually author a Bluray fully under Linux, using predominantly OSS tools (plus TSmuxer plus Nero). Back then Burners were like 240 Euros and BD-Rs about 8 Euros. And when I look at the response I've gotten, it is clearly apparent that most of it has only been written rather recently, so there definately is a trend of more and more people burning (or rather TRYING to burn!) Blurays with Linux now that the price has gone down....
Oh, and as always in flamewars, your needs and desires are 100% representative for the population at large! 8)
Never knew it even existed for Linux, that's how much I will miss it. And no, I'm not going to buy a Blu-ray burner, so no future tears either.
This *may* be due to the fact that you personally don't care about optical media at all.... I also have never heard anyone complain about MySQL issues - but since databases are something i wouldn't ever touch with a 10-foot-pole, this is hardly surprising! <:-) I am however quite certain that there are a lot of complaints about MySQL....
Don't know 'how many' people will be surprised as you are the only one I've ever seen complaining about this.
It is not "some feature", UDF 2.5 is part of the Bluray-Specification! No PS3 (and many BD burners!) will ever accept anything Bluray or AVCHD that is not burned in UDF 2.5! And it is not *I* that deems this "absolutely necessary" - it's the Spec! And the makers of any BD-playing hardware! Are you seriously suggesting that ignoring a spec is the way to go?
And from what I've read cdrtools supports blu-ray burning (atleast for backup purposes). But let's say it misses some features you deem absolutely necessary,
Hello? Did you read my bug report? I also tried emailing them btw, never got a single reply...
urge the developers to add/fix them, perhaps even throwing them a carrot or two by donating some money towards them.
a) I'm not writing this for me personally, but because there's a major shortcoming in general that needs to be adressed
If not, just continue using the Nero version you have, did it just stop working the day they decided to stop selling it for Linux?
b) They stopped selling it from what I know, so people can simply not buy it anymore should they want to burn BDs.
c) I've heard reports that it doesn't work anymore in some current distros. Dunno if this is true, but if it is, then it is very worrying...
Your conclusion. Not mine. Not the world in general.
Conclusion, there is very little interest in burning a disc using UDF 2.5, as a result of there being very little interest in authoring blu-ray media discs on Linux/BSD.
Listen, if you don't care anymore for optical media - that's fine! I'm not forcing you to buy a BD burner and media!... I on the other hand enjoy having large capacity cheap optical media (did you hear they just introduced BD-XL with up to 128GB? Imagine this comes down to prices around 2 Euro - and I certainly don't see a valid reason why it shouldn't, it's still just Polycabonate plus some dye, like CDs or DVDs before it...), so why are you trying to force your preferences on me? You are actually *defending* a flawed outdated implementation of UDF in Linux, simply because *you* don't like optical media? Please take a step back and just look at what you're doing here!
"optical is dead" - Let's inject some hard numbers into the discussion...
Listen, it doesn't matter what you consider "dead". Even if that was true for Bluray: If mass acceptance was the only acceptable metric, Linux would need to cease support for any other architecture than x86 and ARM and about 90% of all hardware supported by the Kernel. Also, any software that is not Office, Database, Web, Games and Media would need to be eliminated from the repository.
Also, the suggestion that the willingness of people to pay for software died in 1995 is simply ridiculous. If that were true, why is MS still around? And raking in billions of profits? And have you looked at the money e.g. the games industry is making? It even dwarves Hollywood!
I'm quite sure Nero is nowhere close to ceasing development for Windows. Look at how many computers are sold with optical drives - how many of those have Nero preinstalled? How many optical drives are sold bundeled with Nero?
Here's some hard facts for you:
Sure, DVD sales are on the decline, and downloading/streaming is growing. But calling a $8.8 billion market (total DVD+Bluray Sales in 2011, with DVD taking $6.8 and Bluray $2 billion) "dead" is just preposterous. 40 Million Bluray-Players in US-homes alone is not quite a niche market, now is it? And all this is just the silver part of the optical disc market, I'm quite sure recordable sales even dwarf this!...
some info on that:
"The DVD recordable technology registered sales of $5.13 billion in calendar-year 2010 - down from $6.25 billion of revenue in 2009. However, CD-R/RW media remains an important part of the recordable optical storage industry, with overall dollar sales of $502.83 million in 2010. "
Careful with the comparisons: This is revenue, *not* units. $5.13 bn at say $0.40 apiece is a lot more than $6.8bn for say $20 apiece!...
"Disc media sales changed by -4%, to 4.116 billion units. "
"DVD recorder sales influenced this decline, with unit sales changing by -2%, to 144.238 million units."
-4%/-2% = "dead"? 4.1 billion discs / 144 mill recorders = "dead"?
Here's some more numbers on Bluray:
"Blu-ray Disc and EST continued their steady gains with consumer spending on Blu-ray jumping 23 percent and EST up 17 percent compared to the same period last year.
Physical sell-through of theatrical product was up two percent for the quarter, while catalog sales on Blu-ray Disc were up 27 percent, and TV on Blu-ray sales were up 54 percent, underscoring that Blu-ray Disc is the standard for quality home entertainment."
So you want optical to die, fine... But what you wish were true and hard reality are two quite different things, see the numbers above.
I know you hate all the copy protection bullshit and the movie studios -again- completely ignoring Linux with the player software. So do I and pretty much everyone else!
But: BD-R does not care for all this, and this is what we're talking about! You can author and burn a Bluray-movie completely under Linux that has *no* copy protection whatsoever and still plays nicely on any Bluray player! If we HAD a software capable of burning UDF 2.5 that is...
UDF has nothing to do with any copy protection whatsoever. So there's exactly zero reason to boycott it by not supporting it.
Edit:"Blu-Ray drives expensive as hell"? On what planet is this? Here, my LG BH20N burner cost me 66 Euros, read-only drives like the Lite-On iHOS104 only cost 43 Euros...