Debian Switches Back To GNOME From Xfce

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Originally Posted by freedam

2) There is the "dash to dock extension" that solves entirely your problem (i say this for others, i know you'll answer with the "i don't want to use an extension blah blah" refrain, in fact i assume you are using compiz alone or KDE with no panels, plasmoids etc.)

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The problem with extensions is that they are hacks which are tightly coupled to a version of GNOME.

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Originally Posted by Sidicas

1. When it breaks a system it's much harder to unbreak. On a server that needs 99.9999% uptime, this is a potential nightmare.
2. Doesn't support, and the devs of systemd have said they will likely never support... anything other than the Linux kernel. Attempts were made to get systemd to work on other kernels besides Linux and these patches were REJECTED by upstream. So systemd is almost a form of Linux kernel "lock-in". Debian needs to support the kFreeBSD kernel as well and it's a lot simpler to choose something that works on everything than maintain two different standards for the boot process (by default). If systemd could ever work with kernels other than Linux, then it's far more likely to be the default in Debian.
3. The performance gains of systemd quickly evaporate if the system is booted from an SSD.

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1. The two biggest linux server service companies are betting their future billion dollars business on it. That is good enough for me. Im sure though that some basement powerusers are too leet to deal with this so the go 100% hipster and tell another story on phoronix. Well I guess Im gonna stick with the proven business succes here, sorry if that means Im less leet than you :)

2. Yes this is effectly a lockin on Linux. But what is wrong with that? Sure it hits a snag when debian is trying be distroing everything but the kitchensink.

3. Systemds fast boot is more than a gimmick. It will cause less down time in unforseen events and during upgrades. Thats fine but nothing special. Having fast boot is the prime feature for infotainment systems in eg. cars. When you start the car, you expect feedback within 3 seconds. That is easy on systemd. Go look at the documentation and tools. It is a pleasure.

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Originally Posted by randomizer

The problem with extensions is that they are hacks which are tightly coupled to a version of GNOME.

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1. Some are coupled with a version of GNOME.
2. Same as all the millions of custom GUI's or additions in MMORPG and other games (I find this idea brilliant by GNOME btw.)
3. And other DE have these gadgets or widgets and other stuff they add onto the desktop?

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Gnome works quite fine without SystemD. I use Gnome 3.4 on gentoo and there is no trace of systemd installed at all.

BTW. From my point of view Gnome3 is faster than Gnome2 -- faster startup and faster to work with, as much more is controllable via keyboard. Hell, even application startup only requires a keypress less: <Windows> + the first few letters of the app + return. On gnome2 it was <Alt>+<F2> + first few letters + return after some (short) time period, until the list of apps was generated.

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Originally Posted by oleid

Hi *!

Gnome works quite fine without SystemD. I use Gnome 3.4 on gentoo and there is no trace of systemd installed at all.

BTW. From my point of view Gnome3 is faster than Gnome2 -- faster startup and faster to work with, as much more is controllable via keyboard. Hell, even application startup only requires a keypress less: <Windows> + the first few letters of the app + return. On gnome2 it was <Alt>+<F2> + first few letters + return after some (short) time period, until the list of apps was generated.

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Yes but if you like your mouse it's a king size pain in the fucking ass. Switching between applications with the mouse is so horrible.

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Originally Posted by BO$$

Yes but if you like your mouse it's a king size pain in the fucking ass. Switching between applications with the mouse is so horrible.

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I read the whole thread and all your posts. Yet, I don't see your point. Moving the mouse to the top left corner is fast and clicking a large thumbnail of a window is also fast due to it's size. If you want it really fast, however, use the keyboard. <Alt><Tab> is your friend. I know that you don't have your keyboard with you all the time. But what could you do what needs a fast window switching, but no keyboard input?

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Originally Posted by oleid

I read the whole thread and all your posts. Yet, I don't see your point. Moving the mouse to the top left corner is fast and clicking a large thumbnail of a window is also fast due to it's size. If you want it really fast, however, use the keyboard. <Alt><Tab> is your friend. I know that you don't have your keyboard with you all the time. But what could you do what needs a fast window switching, but no keyboard input?

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I'm sure his only point is to provoke replies to his messages.

Great, just in time with gnome's decision to finally remove "fallback"...

This decision is going to be challenged again soon. Gnome3 has nothing whatsoever to do with gnome2, as desktop environments are concerned; from an usage point of view, it is the same as if the distro suddenly decided to go with KDE, CDE or whatever.

At least Mint tried to mitigate the mess with many forks to restore the "classic" experience on top of gnome3.
Also the graphic requirements of gnome3 are a recipe for disaster, especially for a distro which emphasizes conservative "stable" choices.

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Originally Posted by Akka

I'm sure his only point is to provoke replies to his messages.

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I am simply baffled by the fact that people argue that going to the corner and then to centre again to click on a small version of your window is faster than having a taskbar. How can you say that doing all that is an improvement over the concept of the taskbar? How can you not see that it's slower? It requires more movement of the mouse. How can doing more for the same thing be an improvement? Why didn't they just leave the taskbar alone. They wanted change for the sake of change. To seem that they are improving the UI by having revolutionary ideas or something. The taskbar is a good concept that doesn't need change. Leave it there!

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Originally Posted by BO$$

I am simply baffled by the fact that people argue that going to the corner and then to centre again to click on a small version of your window is faster than having a taskbar.

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i am losing my patience with you. NO ONE EVER SAID THIS!!!
if you are too inapt to read posts then you shouldn't write posts!

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How can you say that doing all that is an improvement over the concept of the taskbar?
How can you not see that it's slower? It requires more movement of the mouse. How can doing more for the same thing be an improvement? Why didn't they just leave the taskbar alone.

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i hate the taskbar. it is the second most useless thing i ever found on DEs, right after the windows damn start menu.

most of the time it just wastes space! for the moments i need to switch i either press super and then click the program or i driectly use alt tab. i take the extra milisecond for this over a permanent taskbar to get rid of this space wasting and ugly thing!

for me it is one of the BIGGEST improvements ever. FOR ME!

it is your right to not share my opinion on this. but because YOU cannot understand how OTHERS may like it it is at least ignorant to call the WHOLE gnome shell concept shit ONLY BECAUSE OF THIS LITTLE annnoyance for you.

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They wanted change for the sake of change. To seem that they are improving the UI by having revolutionary ideas or something. The taskbar is a good concept that doesn't need change. Leave it there!

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go use something else than. nearly any other de has this taskbar. i do not like it so i wellcome the first DE that has a not perfect but a valid new approach to DE concepts.