What Linux Users Are Saying About GNOME In 2012 (Part 1)

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Originally Posted by 3coma3

This is the other side of the spectrum. Denial. First an excuse for how hard is to make a good survey. Then dismissing the idea altogether on the basis that users are dumb. This is a useless oppinion, and I can only hope the GNOME team is not like minded (I have tiny hopes tho).

You get lots of thata here because it is the only survey in existence, as we lack an official one. As StephanG correctly points out (and you too, kinda), there are ways to make survey data more parseable and make it more useful.

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No, we get lots of data because lots of people answered. Since there is no information about how the people that answered the survey relate to the demographic of all GNOME users, the data interpretation will be hard, or probably even impossible.
To make an analogy: If I make a survey about the morality of eating meat, and then post that survey at a PETA meeting, you would get lots of data, but it would hardly reflect the true response of the general public.

And yeah, of course you can "parse the survey data" to make it more understandable. But no amount of parsing can take care of a bad survey. It's the old "garbage in, garbage out" rule.
Looking at the design of this survey I'd say any data you get out of it is useless, and even trying to interpret it is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by 0xCAFE

Last year there were 9807 responses, this year only 1950. No wonder, since this year's "survey" was even more moronic than last year's.

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i found... https://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProj...eneralResearch

if i may note: "there's lies, damned lies, and statistics"

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Originally Posted by kigurai

No, we get lots of data because lots of people answered. Since there is no information about how the people that answered the survey relate to the demographic of all GNOME users, the data interpretation will be hard, or probably even impossible.
To make an analogy: If I make a survey about the morality of eating meat, and then post that survey at a PETA meeting, you would get lots of data, but it would hardly reflect the true response of the general public.

And yeah, of course you can "parse the survey data" to make it more understandable. But no amount of parsing can take care of a bad survey. It's the old "garbage in, garbage out" rule.
Looking at the design of this survey I'd say any data you get out of it is useless, and even trying to interpret it is a waste of time.

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I was saying that you can actually make a better survey than this one and get more useful / parseable data, wasn't saying that the data from this survey can be better parsed. I agree this survey is poorly designed.

Of course I disagree about the reason for the many people taking the survey, the only official survey was from many years ago, before release. And while it was in some aspects better designed, the oppinions there were largely ignored anyway, and the population sample is nanoscale. 1000 people? It's a joke.

Make an official, honest survey and then tell me if you got few or many responses.

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Originally Posted by 3coma3

Make an official, honest survey and then tell me if you got few or many responses.

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I think it's a waste of time. Put the effort on usability studies instead as those will probably be more likely to produce useful results, i.e. finding problem areas in the current design and find ways to improve them.
To reiterate: users do not know what they want. They only know what they are already familiar with. And any survey will reflect that.

Note that I am not saying that surveys are necessarily always bad. You could probably get some information out of it. But as a tool for figuring out what users want... I am sceptical.

So basically users are saying the same thing they have been saying for the past one year. Come on, cant they ever grow up and stop whining ?
Users are such ass*holes. Developers know best.


/sarcasm.

please use "some users" or "most users" instead of "users", as presenting thousands of very much different people as one person is just idiotic
(im pretty sure many of them are smarter then you and me)

Gnome must fucking die. It does a big disservice to linux. When people see this shit they think linux users are idiotic for using something with this interface. They don't know that in linux you have more than one desktop environment because windows taught them that you have only one interface. So when they see gnome 3 they run away from linux. Gnome is a fucking cancer to linux. It started good and then the cells became malignant and now, because of idiots that use gnome 3 and show it to other people, it spreads and it will destroy other projects that worked well. Everybody is jumping in the dumbing down bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by gens

please use "some users" or "most users" instead of "users", as presenting thousands of very much different people as one person is just idiotic
(im pretty sure many of them are smarter then you and me)

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Not sure if directed at me, or mayankleoboy1.
I am talking about users in general. If there is one thing I remember from my Software Engineering classes, then it is that users (in general) have no clue about what they want. Asking them what they want can actually be destructive.
It is of course a generalization, but it is worth to keep in mind.

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Originally Posted by gens

please use "some users" or "most users" instead of "users", as presenting thousands of very much different people as one person is just idiotic
(im pretty sure many of them are smarter then you and me)

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Since in 1 year, GNOME hasnt change its policies and development plan, USERS that were unhappy the previous year and participated in the 2011 survey, are the same USERS that are unhappy and participating in the 2012 survey.

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Originally Posted by mayankleoboy1

Since in 1 year, GNOME hasnt change its policies and development plan, USERS that were unhappy the previous year and participated in the 2011 survey, are the same USERS that are unhappy and participating in the 2012 survey.

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so... only people that dont like gnome3 read phoronix ?
or is it that only those people filled out the surveys ?
may be but i dont know and i doubt you know, so we cant say, we can only speculate

these surveys are just to give you a vague direction, not so you can say anything for sure