Fascinating how all the nvidia trolls come out of the woodwork to troll about nouveau and insult its developers.
Nobody is forcing you to use the open source driver, Nvidiots!
Well, if they are retarded, you are braindead.
Originally Posted by GT220
You HAVE to have control over your hardware. It wasn't just once that people have found hairraising covert security holes in binary blobs, and nVidia has been mentioned more than once in that context.
While I understand some of the woes at open source effort, I have to acknowledge difficulty of working with so cpmplex stuff under conditions of cronic and critical lack of documentation all the time.
Just look at AMD's documentation ( since they claim publically support for open source and open documentation) and try to make head and tails out of that.
nVidia and AMD get plenty of cash from hardvare. Compared to that, Open-source developers effort lives almost from public mercy.
And still ( while I don't know aboot Nouveau ) open source radeon driver is not half bad. Eyefinity works for me superbly ( 3 x 1600x1200 ). 3D is not that bad. 2D is great. It works without a problem on all kernels I cared to try, even the freshest ones, compiled straight a few hours after release or git copies. ONly thing that is still missing for me on radeon is good GPGPU interface.
Not so with closed-source fglrx. It's full of bugs, some of them persist through many versions over multiple year timespan and quite annoying. It is not always easy ( or even possible) to nail right combination of kernel, driver, libraries and xorg server to make it work.
I switched recently from radeon to fglrx only to get choked on bugs and instabilities. For the moment I am persisting as I want to play with GPGPU stuff, but at very first day radeon includes support for it, I am switching back.
Without proper power management, what's the point of having Optimus? Even with proper power management, there's little to be gained from Optimus when even a GTX680 will idle at only 14W: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/K...ted_OC/26.html
Originally Posted by asdx
Well, that's the problem then. Out of two similar cards, why should one be stuck at boot speeds?
Originally Posted by Veerappan
Because the alternative would be potentially frying the card. They need to test fan control first before enabling it.
Originally Posted by bug77
the architecture set forth by 8800 was totally different then anything used in putting dots on a screen before
Originally Posted by netrage
(as far as i know at least; simple "programmable" cores in mass were probably used before somewhere)
after that the scheduler was refined(in opencl 1.2 designes, afaik) and memory access a bit
nothing that would give performance improvements of some reasonable measure
they did however, as it is with cpu's and all other chips, start printing smaller transistor leading to better power/performance ratios
so that cards you as a consumer call old are the basis on witch it is best to build upon, being a new gpu or a driver for same
so that 5+ years gpu is the best thing evarr, and it runs the 2 games i play at enough fps for me to not spend 500$ on a new one
also the low end gpu's werent that crappy before, only in the last n years did nvidia and amd cripple them too uselessness
(ofc compared to mid-high range gpu's of the same series)
note the TDP, and note the 250 has double the memory
scale that to performance
edit: why do i bother again, i should let you live/die in your consumer ignorance
Blabla revolutionary etc ad infinitum. Fact remains that anything half decent 5 years later runs circles around those old "revolutionary" fossiles,
Originally Posted by gens
regardless if it incorporates some "revolutionary" new design or not. And you don't have to fork out $500 either, not even $200...
The thing about a PC compared to a console is that you CAN upgrade it every now and then instead of being forced to use the same
whatever-old-crap they put in it 5 years back. On the other hand if you only play 2 games occasionally I hardly see the reason to go
apeshit about some breathtaking breakthrough in GPU design that happened sometime after the middle ages.
If you are happy with your 5 year old card then fine. Just don't say moronic stuff like "it's better than new gpus because this design is so
wunderfluff i crap my pants". This kind of mentality is not conducive to bringing more/better NEW games/supported hardware to Linux from companies.
edit: I don't know why I bother with this discussion, I'm happy for you to live/die in your 5 year old wet silicon dream... :P
If for nothing else, I'm grateful to the nouveau devs for providing a driver that allows me to boot a linux distro for the first time on a computer sporting an nvidia gpu and not have to use slow-as-molasses vesa/vga graphics or crappy and still very slow nv graphics, at least until I install the binary driver. I'm further grateful that I'm able to continue to use that driver if I feel the performance is enough for my needs and my lap isn't being burnt to a crisp. ;)
To those saying "junk the nouveau driver": Remember, it's often the only thing available until you download the binary driver--without it, you'd likely be grinding your teeth just trying to open your web browser. :eek:
Nouveau is amazing, and it will only get better with time, and so will Mesa, and the other components from the Free software stack on Linux.
While on the other hand, binary blobs like Nvidia and FGLRX have no future in Linux. They're doomed, flawed and fated to destruction.
Could you benchmark Ubuntu with the latest tweaks like unredirect full screen windows?