Valve Confirms Linux Steam Box Will Be Open Platform

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Originally Posted by efikkan

The obvious choice would be to ship with Nvidia hardware and their official drivers. Those who dislike this can switch the driver and/or hardware as they please. Valve is not going to lock it down. Those who choose to suffer with the open drivers are free to do it :)

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Its called reporting bugs and not "suffering". It goes this way:
Bug->Report->Fix->Improvement

Next time one uses open driver, there is no "suffering" anymore.

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Originally Posted by BO$$

Exactly. And then, as valve posts statistics, we'll know exactly what percentage of linux users is sane and what percentage is insane.

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Sanity is to understand why Linux is better, safer and its the future, and that's because its open source. Sanity is when you understand that "right" (as we say human right - free access to knowledge) has its own freedom. That your democratic right (to chose where Linux must go, for example) doesn't exist (read GPL), before a universal truth that ether you accept it or not its there (truths are more than people and one of them embraces all). You cannot enforce things (like a poverty system) even if you are the overwhelming majority. That doesn't mean that you will just stay with philosophy, you will take action. If you want open graphics drivers then buy Intel or use their work for another closed GPU. If you don't like that games run only on windows then produce Wine code, they are at need for their new LLVM-based HLSL compiler. And goes on until we replace every closed thing. If we see closed drivers, they probably fail (if we are really sane).

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Originally Posted by artivision

Sanity is to understand why Linux is better, safer and its the future, and that's because its open source. Sanity is when you understand that "right" (as we say human right - free access to knowledge) has its own freedom. That your democratic right (to chose where Linux must go, for example) doesn't exist (read GPL), before a universal truth that ether you accept it or not its there (truths are more than people and one of them embraces all). You cannot enforce things (like a poverty system) even if you are the overwhelming majority. That doesn't mean that you will just stay with philosophy, you will take action. If you want open graphics drivers then buy Intel or use their work for another closed GPU. If you don't like that games run only on windows then produce Wine code, they are at need for their new LLVM-based HLSL compiler. And goes on until we replace every closed thing. If we see closed drivers, they probably fail (if we are really sane).

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Is it really that hard to accept that we won't be getting anything open sourced from either AMD or Nvidia for the time being? Not everything needs to be open source. And I find the idea of imposing open source no different from the tyrant that you say is closed source.

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Originally Posted by BO$$

Exactly. And then, as valve posts statistics, we'll know exactly what percentage of linux users is sane and what percentage is insane.

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As someone who wants easy maintainability and proper system integration, the free drivers are most definitely the sanest choice. And I game with them a lot to.

What crawled in your ass and died BO$$?

That being said, I doubt anyone will really care if a Steambox is going to use blob or free drivers, considering Steam itself is locked down and proprietary already.

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Originally Posted by BO$$

Is it really that hard to accept that we won't be getting anything open sourced from either AMD or Nvidia for the time being? Not everything needs to be open source. And I find the idea of imposing open source no different from the tyrant that you say is closed source.

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I am using free drivers developed in cooperation with AMD, so I do not find this concept hard to accept. And considering advocacy to be the same as tyrany is a very rich conceit.

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Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson

And considering advocacy to be the same as tyrany is a very rich conceit.

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I would ask you to name a single tyrant who did not have his advocates.

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Originally Posted by Larian

I would ask you to name a single tyrant who did not have his advocates.

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Not the same thing at all - advocacy in of itself does not impose anything on anybody. Power does. So arguing for something that lessens power as being tyranical I will always find rather amusing.

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Originally Posted by BO$$

Exactly. And then, as valve posts statistics, we'll know exactly what percentage of linux users is sane and what percentage is insane.

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The vast majority of linux users just use intel integrated graphics, just like the larger PC market. Or do you mean linux "gamers"?

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Originally Posted by Larian

I would ask you to name a single tyrant who did not have his advocates.

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Stop oppressing me by posting your opinions on Phoronix.

LOL :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BO$$

What about the graphics drivers? They surely can't ship with the open source versions. Hahaha it's gonna be so amusing hearing all the linux zealots calling valve names that they didn't choose their wonderfully fantastic open source drivers. In linux apparently the only people thinking are the ones that try to make money out of it. I'd love to hear what the open source commies have to say about this.

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Are you really that stupid?

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Originally Posted by BO$$

In linux apparently the only people thinking are the ones that try to make money out of it.

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You do realise that the majority of the work done on all open source drivers is PAID for by company's like Red Hat i.e. not the people TRYING to make money on Linux but the ones that ARE making money on it.

There are two people in this world the naysayers and the doers. You my friend are a naysayer, and judging by your posts you always will be. Its just sad really.

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