Further, Gnome 3 is still the most popular choice on the FedoraForum poll (you claim it isn't), which is also a place frequented by enthusiasts who are likely to stray from the defaults anyway, especially on a distro like Fedora that encourages you to do so. The fact that it does in fact do this makes much of this discussion seem rather unimportant to me as one can hardly say that Fedora is terribly biased one way or another on this point
As to your little rant there, I have already basically already given my thoughts on that point of view already. I would just like for everyone here to step back and realize how unreasonable they are being. If you want to think it is all these nasty GNOME developers then fine, but I am seeing a lot of ego and hubris on both sides here.
Hamish, thank you for bringing some actual grown up debating to this "discussion".
I think you summarized my views quite nicely, in a way that was much better than I did myself. :)
Another lovely day in gnome dream land, lalalala.
Hamish Wilson, in order to save time and avoid an endless back and forth about irrelevant topics, I am not going to directly refute every one of your statements. I just want to clarify a couple things.
The first is, what is it exactly you believe my motivations are? I've made it pretty clear that the reason I'm posting here is because I do not care for Gnome Shell and would like Cinnamon (or a similar DE) to be the default. I happen to believe that Gnome Shell does not provide the features that most people need in a default desktop. If that is a problem for you, then I suggest you review your own motivations and assumptions.
On the topic of Fedora, I probably didn't make myself very clear. My point was that Gnome Shell does not have majority adoption, being at less than 40%. Together Cinnamon, MATE and XFCE make up a slightly smaller but equally relevant share. This is the highest adoption for Gnome Shell, with the other distributions showing much worse numbers. That matters when compared to historical levels of Gnome adoption. It is obvious that the polls have limited use, they can only predict the popularity of each desktop environment, or lack thereof, among people who actually took the poll. That does not make them completely useless for gauging reception.
That said, feel free to reject all of the provided data and observations that have been shared in this forum without providing any of your own.
Unfortunately "Not completely useless" and "useful" are not the same thing :)
But if we want to throw meaningless numbers around, you can take the Phoronix poll. I find that poll completely useless, just as the other polls, but I guess you would categorize it differently, so let's look at the data: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...2012_res&num=1
"Which of the following most resemble your dekstop?"
GNOME2+GNOME3: 993 (60%)
"What is the latest version of GNOME you are using?"
3.x: 2986 (68%)
Not using it: 947
What conclusions can we draw from this?
Well, none, because the poll, like most random Internet polls is badly done.
But if we, just for the sake of argument, pretend that the numbers are actually an approximation of reality...
These numbers are at least to me not something that screams "GNOME is dying!". Actually quite the opposite. GNOME seems to be doing pretty good.
Also note that this is a poll hosted by Phoronix (not made by), and pretty much made to show how bad GNOME3 is doing. So I think we can quite safely assume that any bias would be *against* GNOME with regards to the demographics. :)
The real numbers are (adjusting for win and mac):
Gnome3 666/1655 [40.24%]
Gnome Not Gnome3 528/1655 [31.90%]
It's almost looks like Fedora logged into phoronix.
Relax Gnome Shell users and fans. The shitstorm is almost over. Mate, Cinnamon and Consort will fill the Gnome 2 sucessor role nicely. In a year nobody will give a damn about what functionality has been removed from the Shell...
I am somewhat surprised about the poweroff change and the classic mode talk to be honest. But please don't see this as critique, just stating my personal opinion. Stay true to your vision Shell guys. You have got a brand to create!
Former Gnome 2, now Xfce user. :cool: