And yet you managed to make yourself look as immature as he did in the process, and all this attention has called into question the development process in the Wayland project and many people have expressed disappointment at the level of vitriol that has been spread out over the internet with this.Quote:
At this point, soreau is trying his best to persuade the world he was being reasonable, if we don't reply, some people out there will go on thinking that he was, and in months/years we'll hear the story retold wrong. The thing is he's making shit up to justify thing, he's writing a version of history that nobody else agrees with.
so I should let him? because that definitely won't do any long term damage.
If you had an ounce of common sense, you would have realised that businesses prefer to back projects that are stable and aren't controversial. You and soreau have called that perception in regards to Wayland into doubt. Businesses may choose not to support Wayland in the future because of this instability and lack of confidence in the project.Quote:
I understand you probably don't have much experience of open-source, so I'm happy to let your comment go, but this isn't tarnishing open sources image any more than the 50 times its happened before on 50 other projects. I don't see Linux development stopped because of it, maybe you can show me where its doing the damage with some citations.
And if you want an article that helps to explain this, with some examples, you could read this.
It seems like a strange article... suggests that IT admins are going to re-think their use of Linux (presumably stable enterprise distros like RHEL) because of complaints that a new installer was dropped into Fedora (a not-quite-bleeding-edge-but-close distro) before it was quite ready ?
I thought Alan Cox moved from RH to Intel 4 years ago... the article suggests he left RH while making comments about Fedora but AFAICS that is simply wrong, whether accidental or deliberate.
Soreau is still at it:
--- Log opened Tue Apr 02 00:19:07 2013
00:19 <soreau> Now. I hope this might teach you a lesson. Even though people might not seem like they're learning the way you want them to, as long as they're not doing intentional malicious acts, it's harmless, Sam Spilbury and I go back a long way. I am now happy that I declined their offers when hiring smspillaz
00:20 <soreau> in retrospect
00:20 <soreau> I didn't realize how much I know and how much community power I have until I spread my wings a notch
00:21 <soreau> so thanks for pushing me over the edge you knuckle fucker :)
00:21 * soreau been needing to do this for a long time now
00:22 <soreau> who's trollin' who now?
--- Log closed Tue Apr 02 00:27:56 2013
No missing context, no participation from me. Private chat, time is EDT.
(I have no idea why he brought up Sam Spilbury / smspillaz or what he's trying to say about him. But I do know that smspillaz is not joining soreau's project.)
I wish him the best. I'm sure there will continue to be useful products of his efforts. I just wish he would find a source of motivation other than being unkind to people.
It's absolutely horrible. It promotes groupthink and a "follow-the-masses" mentality. It shuts out independent thought, and you will never find it when it's hidden by being modded to oblivion. It would amount to censorship by the dominating opinion, Fox News in other words.Quote:
I think the voting systems used by reddit and slashdot seem to work well.
Remember, just because someone modded it troll does not mean it is. It means it offended that person, no more or no less.
1. Linux devs have ego problems.
2. There really needs to be a foundation that can manage and develop standard APIs for every part of the OS. Otherwise it is just too difficult to progress the Linux OS forward in a way that is compatible with how desktop and laptop expect to use their devices.