We recently saw what happened - and I won't mention the act or this very smart guy's name - when people push other people... sometimes what you say is the straw that breaks the camel's back. Do you really want to live with that?
Edit: Most people who are depressed have no idea they actually are - so it's difficult to come to a realization that "I am depressed" unless you hit rock bottom with how you are manifesting said depression in reality. Usually it takes the constant nagging of a loved one for you to do something, someone who is close to the person and knows him or her well - would be best able to observe their mood changes and the impact this has on their life. Then the hard part comes - having the person deal with the situation.... and you tell me if asking for help has ever been easy for anyone, particularly intelligent people who think they can boil the ocean by their own self :).
I feel for the Wayland folks. I'm part of an open source project that had the same issue. There are some very poisonous people out there who become drains on open source projects.
"Patches welcome, or fork" is a good policy on these kinds of things. If they continue, a ban is always an option as long as you have a general / rough concensus of the community.
There is a *great* google tech talk on this very subject with examples from the svn developers:
blackiwid, please stop arguing about your use of the word "psychopath". It was never productive.
ворот93, please don't call anybody "sociopathic children" without some solid evidence of their psychiatric state and age.
I bring this up only because deleting these posts hasn't gotten it to stop. If you feel a need to discuss moderation, please pick a more appropriate sub-forum, or private messages, not this thread. I'm just trying to make it a little more readable.
I can't see anything wrong with that "psychopath" thing. It was not an insult, and not intended as anything offensive at all. In fact, having read all these discussions, I consider it one of the very few attentive, rational, constructive things written here. It is quite clear that Scott is suffering from a mental disorder, and pointing it out is the best thing that could be done here. If more people realized it soon enough, it could have prevented the really insensitive things done here by many people, like calling him a liar (yes, technically he is, but mental illness is to blame, he has shown multiple times that he has trouble distinguishing reality from delusion), a troll, being angry with him or ridiculing him by quoting things he has written on IRC and elsewhere. Even Michael's articles could have been different - even though I do not mind publishing personal e-mail conversation in exceptional cases (like offering kickbacks), again, Michael should have realised (by reading all the confused, crazy e-mails) that it's not some "regular" villain he's dealing with, but a person who is simply ill. So the articles should have been written differently, if at all.
Now, to me, that's the only really interesting thing about this whole affair: there are people with mental disorders, and in rare cases, they can get into a group of people working on a project undetected (where did the initiation control fail?), even stay there for some time, and cause a big mess. The question is how to handle these rare cases. Now, first, it must be properly recognised, then it must be properly called. Then it can be properly handled. Which means censoring the call (because it's "not nice") is not the answer.
To me, if there was anything useful about the case of Scott Moreau, it was:
- Warn people who do not know Scott Moreau that if they consider working with him, they should think twice, as it can be dangerous (that's why I think Michael's publication of the e-mails was OK)
- Thinking about dealing with people with mental disorders, and about their place in society
Therefore, anything that discusses these issues is IMO on-topic here, and does not make the forum less readable. After all, articles covering this Northwood drama are not primarily about the the technical things either.
Ok, just a couple of questions. Are you a licensed psychiatrist? Do you have telepathic powers that allow you to perform a diagnosis of someone you never met over the internet?Quote:
yes, technically he is, but mental illness is to blame, he has shown multiple times that he has trouble distinguishing reality from delusion
If the answer to either question is "no", then I'm afraid you have no business making any kind of assumptions about other people's sanity or lack thereof.
The same goes for every other kitchen psychologist in this thread, as well.
I don't think psychopath is correct anyways there a lot of undiagnosed psychopaths out there doing very well for themselves would they ever visit a psych outside of jail? Probably not, but you should still feel free to point out their behaviour is psychopathic behaviour!