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Originally Posted by DanLamb
videos of him and his wife to gonewild on reddit, so by comparison, you must be evil because you hide all this stuff, right?
It's interesting that you haven't even considered that the contracts could be very competitive. Your assumption and assertion is that the contracts must be bad therefore hidden.
Right there, heavy handed legal agreements that you aren't even allowed to discuss in public. If anything is opposite to the open, community nature and spirit of open source and Linux, this is it.
This is, frankly, absurd given than you've mentioned Apple who are perhaps the most closed and restrictive platform out there.
I can infer that Steam:
- Has much more subjective say over which games they distribute and promote.
Every vendor has the right to sell or not sell stuff on their site.
Please post proof. Not showing the contract does not mean Steam controls the price at all.
- Has much more controls over how games are priced than say iOS/Android, where it is pretty much completely a developer choice.
Please post proof. Let's look at the limited evidence we do have. Lots of developers, both big and small seem to be tripping over themselves
- Has much more leverage over game developers and reduces their rights.
to get their games on Steam.
Whereas, people like Notch have published their games on a simple website away from steam and made bazillions.
So, I don't see how you can claim Steam have any leverage over game developers or their rights.
It seems to me, whether you get your game on steam or not, it can be successful either way.
Again, you haven't even considered that the contracts may be hidden because they are good or better than the competition.
You can write your own. EA and many others have.
The code to Steam is not open source, not forkable, and the protocols are all completely proprietary. If you don't like the Steam client, you can't just write your own.
They are doing work towards opening up the store.
But it seems moot, this won't really affect anything in terms of Steam hosting and distributing games from their servers.
There is? Where?
And there is a push to make games Steam exclusive to remove the choice from users to experience game content without Stream.
So, without any knowledge at all of a steam contract or what cut they take you conclude this? Again, that you don't even consider that they might want
Valve wants Stream to take away rights of Linux developers, control contract info and negotiations in secret, control the pricing, and take a large revenue cut.
to hide the contracts because the cut could be competitive is telling. What a secret contract tells you is, nothing, because it's secret.
What you infer from knowing nothing tells us about you and the way your mind works.
What entitles them to a cut is that they are putting the software on steam, distributing it and providing a bunch of software for those developers to use.
Additionally, I can see a logical fairness to Apple claiming a 30% revenue cut on iOS apps since they built and drive that entire hardware and OS ecosystem. It's a similar story for Android apps. But what entitles Steam to a large cut of the revenue of a software product that some independent developer writes for Linux?
IIRC they are the in the top 5 bandwidth users on the internet. Steam is not Id software with an FTP server connected via a 56k modem in their spare office.
Valve are developing hardware - not that it matters. An android uses linux so it's rather disingenuous to suggest they have a similar story. Their story is
far more similar to Steam's big picture mode.
So, what steam provides is no small potatoes. There are plenty of websites and stores in the linux world that I've never bought anything from and never will - put your game on there if you like,
and get a 70% cut of fuck all. Or a 90% cut of sweet fanny adams if you can. It'll probably make no difference what cut you get. Then sit under your bedsheet, furiously masturbating to videos of Richard Stallman eating his feet.
Or put your game on steam under whatever deal Valve offer you. Or don't. The choice is yours.
But remember, the other guys furiously going at it to RMS's picture will probably point out that your game isn't open source and therefore you are bad.
If you've written a piece of open source software that you want to give away, there's not really a need to put it on steam nor to enter a contract with Valve.
OTOH, if you haven't, if your "linux software" costs money and is closed source you're frankly a bit of a dick to start complaining that Steam isn't open source and that they are taking away your rights
especially without any evidence to back it up.
Let's face reality. If you took all the closed source stuff away that nearly makes linux a good gaming platform (it isn't that yet - certainly not for AMD owners) then the platform would be shit for games. There are basically few, if any decent games that are not closed source too. So, if linux wants good games it seems clear that the open source community cannot deliver on that goal for whatever reason.
If Linux wants good games, someone fix the issues that have made it hard for developers to have platform neutral game clients. Most game developers require fairly standard functionality to build on: fast 3D graphics rendering, audio, keyboard/mouse input, and install/unistall.
No doubt you have some evil corporations to blame for that. Whatever. It doesn't change reality.
Usually at this point someone wants to hit reply and start talking about some obscure game they like. Or wine.
But, games are a billion dollar business, with millions of gamers buying and playing them - these are the people that Steam on linux is aiming at - gamers. With new hardware at different tiers and price points, with whatever the steam box is hardware wise, and whatever similar things appear from other manufacturers. They seem to be looking at doing stuff that beams the picture from your PC to the TV as entry level, mid-range console-like gaming hardware that plugs into your TV and uses Steam's big picture mode at a middle level and your all-powerful, triple-sli overclocked PC +++, spend what you can afford, at the high end.
So, precisely the things you claim Apple do which entitles them to a cut. not the least because apple use a version of unix to build their OS with too, just like android did. Just like they all built their browsers (and steam at its heart is more or less a webkit browser, you can do 90% of steam on your own client, or use google chrome or safari, Internet explorer) on top of open source software.
A side effect is, we can stick it Steam linux on an otherwise ordinary linux distro too. This is because Valve want the platform to be open - but perhaps not in the sense you understand that. To Valve's eyes, the PC platform running windows 7 was open. Anyone could sell a windows program. They could put steam on windows. What they see as closed is things like Apple and, potentially windows 8, where you get one store to buy things from and an app like Steam isn't allowed.
But they aren't writing steam for linux to attract the kind of linux guy who fiddles while RMS eats. If that guy is you, you are not really the market. They want, I believe, gamers to buy and use the linux-based hardware and software. Gamers have, quite obviously now, embraced and accepted Steam. They went through all the wrangling and pitfalls years ago. As have a large number of game developers and publishers. Whether they will publish linux versions will be interesting to see. But I think you are wide of the mark with your inferences.
Well, I suppose it depends what you see as positive and the POV you have. But I think you're missing the point of this.
This is an awesome Linux coverage site, and the main writer has personal relations with Valve and is a big fan, but I don't seen any positives out of this for Linux.
When you look at the bazillions of people using android smart phones you may notice many of them don't even know they have linux or care.
They don't foam at the mouth when you shout "Windows 7" at them. (Although I suppose, ironically, they might get their knickers in a twist if you start comparing their phone to a windows phone or an iphone) Presumably the real people to foam at the mouth and argue with, if you buy some kind of Steam box, will be xbox 720 (or whatever it is called) and PS4 owners, rather than with other linux users.
As a linux user you will still be able to argue with people that use a different distro from you (the idiots!) and windows 7/8 users ('nuff said) as well as with BSD developers (what a dumb license!) and yourself. So you'll be busy without needing to fret about Steam on linux.
There are, however, far more Android users than there are linux desktop users. See? Google didn't need to worry about what linux desktop users, or even linux users thought at all. It didn't matter. They just built something for phone users. There may be some overlap, of course. Valve will build something for gamers. Something that has the kind of products and software features they feel will attract gamers - and you just have to accept that is something Valve appear to be very good at, both with their own games and with Steam.
Steam on linux might not sell the RMS swimsuit edition or a cut out keep Steve Ballmer print for your dartboard - because, it doesn't need to attract you - unless, that is, you happen to want to buy and play shedloads of computer games.
I suspect Steam on linux, in the main, will resemble that, a piece of hardware in front of my TV that looks like Steam. The fact it's running linux underneath or upsets you in some way won't really matter. No more than my router running some version of linux that presents a bunch of web pages.