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Mir aside, if there's anything that will turn people off from Wayland is buggy, unstable and unusable code. It can't all be about new features, stability/usability matters too. Since it's at 1.0+......

That's harsh. Everyone has a right to create anything, whether it's perceived as redundant or not by the rest of us. None of the Canonical folks are idiots.

I'd characterize it as a project born...

Is it just me or am I the only one who cannot understand a word of what "Sphinux" is saying?

Has it been possible to scrape all the good things about X11 and at least conceptually port them to Wayland or is Wayland's paradigm so different that hardly any of the X11 concepts (or code even)...

As someone who has used X for the longest while, since 1993 to be exact on some old AIX workstations, I am overjoyed with the prospect of Wayland and even more so with the kind of cohesive,...

Same here, I only knew the ritual under a different name - harakiri :). Good to know there's synonyms for the most grotesque form of ritualistic suicide.

Typically yes.

Since the Linux guys at Intel have access to the Windows drivers, theoretically they should be able to "port" it conceptually, maybe not at the api level since one would conceivably...

If you can't beat'em, join'em = Microsoft Office 2014 running on Ubuntu Mir natively. MS gets to take over the world again and make another 100B dollars. Then they can really close bug #1, in the...

I don't think it's Canonical people want to bash - it's just this NIH attitude/syndrome that when eliminated, could result in serious progress for Linux on the desktop.... Imagine Intel OSL + the...

is my bet... at the earliest, provided they crank on Mir fulltime w/at least a 4-5 men (solid) team.

Never said it's anything to be ashamed of - you're hearing it from someone who is clinically depressed for over 15 years :). The difficulty when dealing with people who are depressed or have some...

Maybe we should cut Scott some slack.... he might be clinically depressed. Last thing we want is something bad to happen as a result of these back and forths. Reacting only fuels the fire - so it'd...

soreau - it seems like you can still do what you want without modifying the wayland core protocol - why don't you? and based on the entire thread, it seems like you just want to be a rebel... without...

They (AMD) will follow suit - primarily the reason being is that most people don't give a rat's ass for powerful GPUs on their laptops anymore and Intel HD is more than enough for anyone but serious...

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Get used to it!

That's my theory too - as I was mostly joking.... but it goes out the window because he originally bet on Wayland... then reneged.

It gave such a nice kick in the ass to everyone who was working on Wayland :D, out of complacency and into action.

Thank you Mark et al! If that was your plan all along, that's just pure genius!

Because you are only allowed one flip-flop on your word per 2 years. It'll take 2 more before Canonical has earned enough credit to flip flop again and go back to Wayland.

You won't be forced. You can use open-source drivers in addition to closed-source binary drivers. You absolutely have control over your system - you can uninstall the binary drivers if you do not...

Plenty of other wealthy people who never get cancer. What's the difference?

Jobs drank from the wrong well.

My idiotic view only, my greedy tovarish. Thanks!