Originally Posted by Linux Community Forum Saboteur
I didn't notice that MANY packages from KDE4 do not even have a bug report page of their own.
If you don't how Debian works, don't comment. Debian/experimental is not a distribution and therefore does not allow bug reporting, because these packages are really for experienced testers only.
Originally Posted by Conspiracist
So we assume that NO bugs have been found in the KDE4 version of the package.
We assume that it is too early to install them and to report bugs. If a software is not finished yet, you have to report bugs to upstream, not to Debian.
Originally Posted by Muffin Man
The comment above makes it clear that Debian is LYING when it says that large numbers of bugs are keeping KDE4 out of the Lenny release at the end of the year.
No. Lenny is up to date. It is frozen now and uses the latest KDE version for desktop users: 3.5.9. Why didn't you upload the final KDE 4.1 packages some weeks ago, before the freeze began? They could have tested them for stability then. Oh wait - KDE 4.1 is still under development.
Originally Posted by /dev/null
You mean that Debian doesn't even try to fix real bugs,... just packaging bugs,.... then there is absolutely no excuse from why Debian is so often soooooo out of date,.... except that they just want to be out of date,....
Debian fixes real bugs. If someone reports a bug related to KDE that is not related to the Debian packages, then the Debian package maintainer (Debian KDE-Team [or the DEBIAN KDE SABOTEURS if you wish]) forward that reported bug to the KDE bug tracking system. Oh, and Debian is not out of date. Name ten out of the 10000+ packages that are out of date, please:
There are actually 7 bugs. These are all the bugs that Debian knows about for KDE4.
So basically Debian can't even list the KDE4 bugs that they claim keep KDE4 from making it into Lenny.
You know,... that is not a good look,....
Not a good look at all.
Originally Posted by d2kx
If a software is not finished yet, you have to report bugs to upstream, not to Debian.
So on the 11th January 2008 when KDE 4.0 was released (as finished) by the KDE people, how many bad bugs were still too be fixed? How many bad bugs did the Debian people find that the KDE people didn't?
So does anyone else think that Debian's actions regarding KDE4 look very very suspicious?
Not at all. If anything, Fedora's actions are. Not even including KDE 3.5 as an option (in Fedora 9) when KDE4 isn't even close to ready for everyday use yet is about as sure a way possible to turn people off of KDE. With the possible exception of openSUSE, which puts a lot of work into making its KDE4 more polished than other distro's, no distribution has any business making KDE4 the default yet; KDE 3.5.9 is stable, usable, and polished in its default state and is in no danger of being obsoleted just because KDE4 is out.
From what it sounds like, KDE4 will appear in Sid (as an option doubtless, not the only KDE) a few days after Lenny is released, to eventually become part of whatever Lenny's successor is. And it's already in Experimental for those who really like to live on the edge. I see no problem at all.