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    Phoronix: Gentoo Linux 2008.0

    In recent times the Gentoo Linux and its foundation has been plagued with a multitude of problems and times have certainly been challenging for this once popular distribution. It's already July and we are now finally seeing Gentoo's first official release of the year. In this article we are taking a brief look at Gentoo Linux 2008.0 and its changes.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12571

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Gentoo Linux 2008.0
    Aside from these changes, there really isn't much to get excited over with Gentoo 2008.0.
    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12571
    That was very badly put. It's true that Gentoo releases aren't really as exciting as releases for other distros but that's because of the way Gentoo works. You never have to reinstall or do some clunky upgrade from one version to the next. The continual updating of packages keeps the system as a whole up to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoronix
    Aside from these changes, there really isn't much to get excited over with Gentoo 2008.0.
    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12571
    Gentoo is 'released' trough 'emerge world' on a daily basis, which fortunately isn't very exiting (if I want exciting I try ~x86). Saying that release 2008 isn't very exiting is entirely missing the point of a meta-distribution like Gentoo.

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    if we were to mention all changes since 2007.0 - openrc and baselayout2 (new initsystem) would be one huge change.

    still it should be STRONGLY mentioned that changes affect only the installer and install media.

    people using gentoo on their pcs are always running up-to date distro of they update their system at least once per month. it's a rolling-release distro, not like ubuntu where you have to skip to the next release to get e.g. new gnome version.

    i actually never understood the purpose of gentoo install cd, since i always installed by gentoo from knoppix dvd or archlinux ftp install cd ;-) gentoo can be installed from under arbitrary distro, it if runs the right kernel (currently it's 2.6.* i guess, because of the way glibc is built in the stage).

    phoronix went really downhill on this one. posting some screenshots won't describe gentoo.

    it should be a more technical article instead of hastily written copy-paste from original announcement with some random screenshots.
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    I also feel this article is somewhat insulting towards Gentoo.
    I understand though that when you're used to a distro like Ubuntu and are reading the release notes of Gentoo 2008.0 you might end up thinking "Meh, that sounds boring.", since you expect major changes on a new release. But it's not fair to write an article without digging any further into the marteria. People who've never before heard of Gentoo and who read the article might get the impression they'll only get a XFCE Desktop with X Server 1.3 and GCC 4.1.2 with Gentoo, but this couldn't be less true. One of the great things about Gentoo is you can use it to build any system you like, it can be rock-solid or bleeding edge. The only other distros I can think of that give you anything close to this freedom are Debian (my second favorite distro ) and LFS (I guess, never really tried it myself).

    Or long post put short: There's nothing to fix on a already perfect distribution.
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    I suspect the critique is that it is only suited for advanced users or intermediate users (but not beginners). Also, constant compiling is involved. If you are compiling, say, KDE, how long does it take? Not everyone has a fast computer. I was wondering how long it might take to compile the largest packages such as KDE - on a Quad Core (Core 2 Quad 6600) computer.

    I knew/know of someone who is a Gentoo fan and even had it installed on one of my computers (was sold). It probably wasn't the best candidate for Gentoo as it was an AMD64 4200+ cpu machine. I now use a Quad Core but I'm not very familiar with Linux especially manually configuring or using the command line extensively. I am sure Gentoo is great for advanced users but probably would be a struggle for me at this stage.

    I also can say that I know of some advanced Linux users who are, at the moment, not committed to jumping into Gentoo because of previous issues/problems or perceiving that the 'Gentoo community' has (had?) such issues as decribed in the phoronix article. I'm neutral on this and know nothing of it so I'm just mentioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panix View Post
    I suspect the critique is that it is only suited for advanced users or intermediate users (but not beginners). Also, constant compiling is involved. If you are compiling, say, KDE, how long does it take? Not everyone has a fast computer. I was wondering how long it might take to compile the largest packages such as KDE - on a Quad Core (Core 2 Quad 6600) computer.

    I knew/know of someone who is a Gentoo fan and even had it installed on one of my computers (was sold). It probably wasn't the best candidate for Gentoo as it was an AMD64 4200+ cpu machine. I now use a Quad Core but I'm not very familiar with Linux especially manually configuring or using the command line extensively. I am sure Gentoo is great for advanced users but probably would be a struggle for me at this stage.

    I also can say that I know of some advanced Linux users who are, at the moment, not committed to jumping into Gentoo because of previous issues/problems or perceiving that the 'Gentoo community' has (had?) such issues as decribed in the phoronix article. I'm neutral on this and know nothing of it so I'm just mentioning.
    Yeah, I heard the same as far as the community issues, I don't know much about them though. Gentoo doesn't require a fast machine, but the faster machine you have, the less pain it will be in compiling the system. Gentoo is recommended for advanced users, because in my opinion, is a project of its own, but it has its own benefits as well.

    I just want to state that what I said previously was not to pit Gentoo against Ubuntu or other distributions but the whole point was to show that there are advantages and disadvantages to doing things the long way. I've used Fedora, OpenSuSE, Debian, Ubuntu, Vector, Slackware, Gentoo and many others and I can say they all have their advantages over one another. Although I have to say the newest OpenSuSE (11.0) is pretty nice.

    I've had frustrations of my own with Gentoo as well as any other distribution, they all have their own problems that well, you just gotta deal with. Some have more problems than others though. As far as my personal experience, the two least painful distributions I've used is OpenSuSE and Debian. The most rewarding in the end is probably Gentoo.

    If you want to try experimenting with Gentoo with no risk you could just use something like Virtualbox or some other virtual machine software and experiment with it.
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    Looks very nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoronix View Post
    . . . once popular distribution
    That's rather trollish, don't you think? We're still popular.

    Whatever made you think we weren't? Hope you haven't been getting that viewpoint from tabloids like DistroWatch.

    Also, correction to the article, which states:
    The Gentoo Linux installer now supports network-less installations using the packages and ebuild tree on the LiveCD.
    This is incorrect; this has been the case for several releases now. All binary packages you install are pulled from stuff already on the CD.

    In days past, you used to be able to use the graphical installer to perform a networked install, but in order to reduce the chance of user error, the installer has been changed to only use the packages on the CD. Sometimes users would select bad combinations of networked/networkless options despite repeated warning messages in the installer not to, and resulted in a broken system or incomplete installation. Hence why the installer was changed to operate only in networkless mode.


    Anyway, yes, the release is out. Right now we offer LiveCD media, since there were weird issues cropping up with the generation of LiveDVDs, but once we get some out the door we'll announce them, too.

    Also, the LiveCDs contain Xfce, which is total win for everyone.

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    w00T they shipped it? cool.

    i'll have top upgrade my profile soon ...

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