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Thread: Creative Gives In, They Open-Source Their X-Fi Driver

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    One thing the previous Creative cards were always good for was budget music production, using the kX drivers in windows and as10k1 and other tools on Linux. The simple EMU10k1 DSP was easy to program in 10k1 assembly. I still have a Live 5.1 in my system because of that. If the X-fi DSP can be similarly programmed (and if it can do hardware 3D then it probably can), then Creative might become interesting on Linux once again.

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    This driver works well in 2.6.27 on an Auzentech Prelude, and supports hardware mixing and resampling of multiple sound sources just like the 10k1 chips do. SPDIF I/O works as well.

    Of note, 24 bit output spits out garbage fuzzy sound. I'm sure once Takashi takes a crack at this driver any bugs will be fixed in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by izual View Post
    Come on, everbody has a litte masochist inside himself

    Well, I do not own a X-Fi but back in early 2004 I was impressed by the Audigy2 cards. Today I think a onboard card, like an ALC888, is sufficient. X-Fi makes sense if you are a (hardcore)gamer under Windows.

    But I still love those I/O hubs ^^
    The ALC888 is a good chip but a properly working Xfi sounds far better and has no interference from the MOBO. So saying it only makes sense for games is really not true.

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    It's good to see yet another company open source a driver. I think the phoronix article doesn't really make clear how important it is for users to have open source drivers, and thus how good it is of creative to have open sourced this one.

    Just today I was looking at X58 motherboards, when I came upon the MSI Eclipse SLI. That really seems to be an amazing motherboard, and it comes with an X-Fi on-board. It does use a card for the connectors (looks like PCIe-x1), but it seemed like the chip was on the motherboard itself. I was thinking about what a waste it would be to buy it just because of the soundcard. I also tend to forget that I don't really need a sound-card, because I have Logitech Z-10 speakers which are connected via USB. However in the future I might need a second sound output (doesn't really matter how, just that I can control it seperately) and I don't like having unsupported hardware at all, so this is definately a good thing...
    Regards,

    Michael

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    Creative was the Largest Hold-out Hardware Vendor until this announcement, who will take their place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mycroes View Post
    It's good to see yet another company open source a driver. I think the phoronix article doesn't really make clear how important it is for users to have open source drivers, and thus how good it is of creative to have open sourced this one.

    Just today I was looking at X58 motherboards, when I came upon the MSI Eclipse SLI. That really seems to be an amazing motherboard, and it comes with an X-Fi on-board. It does use a card for the connectors (looks like PCIe-x1), but it seemed like the chip was on the motherboard itself. I was thinking about what a waste it would be to buy it just because of the soundcard. I also tend to forget that I don't really need a sound-card, because I have Logitech Z-10 speakers which are connected via USB. However in the future I might need a second sound output (doesn't really matter how, just that I can control it seperately) and I don't like having unsupported hardware at all, so this is definately a good thing...
    Regards,

    Michael
    As I understand it, the "X-Fi" sound that comes with some motherboards isn't really an X-Fi at all - it's just a cheap, dumb integrated sound solution, with all the 3D support and processing done by software running on the computer. (Apparently, at least a couple of the standalone X-Fi cards - the Extreme Audio and Extreme Audio Notebook - are basically the same, which means they have Linux support but offer no real advantage to Linux users over onboard sound.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethana2 View Post
    Creative was the Largest Hold-out Hardware Vendor until this announcement, who will take their place?
    I think nvidia will, and already has... nvidia has a history of creating binary drivers, often very incompatible. Other than nvidia I think we'll have to focus on motherboard manufacturers. For example gigabyte has some nice stuff that only works in windows (some powersaving led feature has been mentioned on phoronix iirc, I also have it but my case is closed for about 99.99% of the time). Also Apple has a way of not supporting stuff in Linux, like the iPhone or iPod Touch. Ever since I stepped away from my Mac Mini I have only synced my iPod Touch once, and just for music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makomk View Post
    As I understand it, the "X-Fi" sound that comes with some motherboards isn't really an X-Fi at all - it's just a cheap, dumb integrated sound solution, with all the 3D support and processing done by software running on the computer.
    I could be entirely wrong on this (and I'm certainly not an expert in this area), but I thought I read something about the card on the MSI Eclipse SLI being one of the real hardware ones, and especially not a software card. I could of course be wrong, so if I'm going to buy anything with a creative card on it I now know to double check the capabilities.

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    LOL they better change the download page.

    http://support.creative.com/download...wnloadId=10792

    Notice the Nice EULA

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    Creative grants to you the right to use all or a portion of this Software provided that
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    Got them installed and it works well and suonds much better than the OSS drivers.

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