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Thread: Intel Poulsbo DRM Proposed, But Rejected

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    Is this about releasing the source or going open source? They could release the source (so users can compile it externally) but don't use an OSS license at all ("look but don't touch"), that would work just as well for packagers.

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    Since Poulsbo uses a big chunk of third party IP it's almost definitely about releasing the source.

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    Intel has the money! Go intel, recover losses!


    Maybe it is time for...

    http://www.opentheblob.com/intel/

    like it is still for nvidia:
    http://www.opentheblob.com/nvidia/

    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugmenot View Post
    Intel has the money! Go intel, recover losses!
    It would take a lot of money. ImaginationTech's market cap is big, maybe 23B (not sure if that is USD or GBP).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealNC View Post
    ROFL, that's a nice one, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by chithanh View Post
    The current recommendation is still that Linux users stay away from Intel Poulsbo/GMA500/US15W chipsets.

    New developments in the meantime since the article was posted:


    If I understand correctly, no plans exist to open source the proprietary parts. And if things will go the same route as the last proprietary PowerVR Linux driver, then you will be stuck with basic 2D forever.
    Thanks for that update chithanh - I presume you've got a pouslbo device too then? I don't really use Facebook but I will sign up to that group to make my unhappiness with Intel a bit more visible. I mean this is 2009- Linux users are ONE (1!)% of desktop users now!

    So just how similar is the GMA500 to the GFX chipset used by the Pandora and Beagleboard? I'm fully expecting to receive a binary blob gfx driver with my Pandora when it initially arrives but of course nobody likes that. If the Beagle and Pandora get popular (and it looks like they could well take off with the Linux/ computer hobbyist market) and Intel/Imagination refuse to play nice with the open crowd then there will be much demand for open drivers and so theres a pretty good chance we'll see a team formed to reverse-engineer these drivers. If Pandora/Beagle and GMA500 are a pretty similar then that should aid this process I'd hope.

    bridgman - any idea when we might hope to see something like the Zaurus cxxxx or the Pandora but with an ATI chip with (mini)HDMI output, running Linux and open source drivers? THATS what I really want!

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    or a netbook with HDMI and a r600/r700 type chip would be cool too
    Last edited by danboid; 05-03-2009 at 07:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danboid View Post
    I presume you've got a pouslbo device too then?
    No, I got burned by Imagination Technologies earlier, having bought a PowerVR Kyro. After many requests from the Linux community, they released a proprietary 2D/3D driver. But then Kernel 2.6 came, and they did not update the driver. So the device became almost useless, and ever since I bought hardware only after verifying that it works properly with open source drivers.
    Quote Originally Posted by danboid View Post
    So just how similar is the GMA500 to the GFX chipset used by the Pandora and Beagleboard?
    The Beagleboard is TI OMAP3530 / PowerVR SGX based, so uses a very similar graphics core full of ImgTec's intellectual property.
    Quote Originally Posted by danboid View Post
    or a netbook with HDMI and a r600/r700 type chip would be cool too
    The only widely available UMPCs with AMD CPU are Geode based (eg. the Hercules eCAFÉ) but this is probably not what you want. Raon Digital has shown prototypes of its Turion based netbook at last year's Computex, but no such products made it to Europe at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danboid View Post
    So just how similar is the GMA500 to the GFX chipset used by the Pandora and Beagleboard?
    Details are hard to come by for obvious reasons, but the GMA 500 is widely rumored to have SGX535, while the OMAP3 has SGX530. From various rumors about speed and API support, this seems to be largely a netbook/UMPC vs. smartphone distinction; ImgTec has this to say about how the "SGX Series 5 Graphics IP Core Family" scales:

    POWERVR SGX Series5 architecture is fully scalable for a wide range of area and performance requirements, enabling it to target a wide range of markets from low cost feature-rich mobile multimedia products to very high performance consoles and computing devices.
    Likewise, there's a generic Series 5 block diagram provided. I imagine they're quite similar...

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    Here we are in August.. any updates to the Poulsbo driver debacle? Can we at least get a working 3d binary blob driver that runs on the latest kernels?

    I too got scammed into buying a netbook thinking "oh, intel graphics! thats supported under linux!"

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