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    Quote Originally Posted by bridgman View Post
    Not sure what you mean by "a license that stifles progress"; are you talking about the X11/MIT/BSD license there ?
    I'm talking about any license that prohibits any implementation of so called free code in any manner, shape or form. No, I'm not singling out the X11/MIT/BSD license but any license that restricts usage and interoperability. The BSD license is one of the less restrictive but still nowhere near the freedom one enjoys with truly free code such as projects like SQLite.

    Remember the nvidia fallback patch? Pure political bullshit. Why hasn't vdpau been adopted even though it's by far the most complete and mature solution out there? Again more political bullshit. Or how about the time when they removed kernel code that they thought only would break the nvidia drivers? Only after did they find out that some oss projects did indeed use the same code (vbox in this case) did they temporarily put it back in to give time for the vbox to get their code up to snuff. Then there is the whole radeon vs radeonhd crap too.

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    Frankly, it doesn't matter how often nvidia releases a new driver -- their stuff is closed, and thus inherently limited by the amount of manpower they can personally throw at it, and their marketing department, and ...

    Thank god ATI has taken a more sane path. Their users will win in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaestroMaus View Post
    I wonder why new NV beta drivers for desktops (which most people should not use) get posted here, and NV stable drivers for Go cards (laptops) do not get posted here. Why is that?
    Wtf are you talking about? There are no separate laptop/desktop drivers for Linux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanjo View Post
    And this suprises you? Development when unhindered by politics usually will deliver results faster.
    Yeah, so will development unhindered by testing procedures. The 180.50 release somehow didn't work on 7xxx cards any more, and nobody noticed before release

    as a nvidia user I always dread upgrading the nvidia-drivers. Regressions are way too common

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoran View Post
    Wtf are you talking about? There are no separate laptop/desktop drivers for Linux.
    Sorry, your right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohcQaH View Post
    Yeah, so will development unhindered by testing procedures. The 180.50 release somehow didn't work on 7xxx cards any more, and nobody noticed before release

    as a nvidia user I always dread upgrading the nvidia-drivers. Regressions are way too common
    That's why 180.50/51 are pre-releases. These are specifically made to catch regressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanjo View Post
    Why hasn't vdpau been adopted even though it's by far the most complete and mature solution out there?
    VDPAU has been adopted pretty well, I think. And that's not only because it's the only video acceleration API that really works, but ironically also because of NVidia's openness and help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg View Post
    VDPAU has been adopted pretty well, I think. And that's not only because it's the only video acceleration API that really works, but ironically also because of NVidia's openness and help.

    As far as the applications yes, it has been very well adopted. No argument there. So why are the other graphics players still pushing their own API's and not adopting one that already is established, deployed and works?

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    I don't really see how they're pushing it. At least they're not doing it with any real code work. va-api seems to be pretty much dead (no commits for a year now to libva) and XvBA remains nowhere to be seen.

    Besides, have you ever looked at va-api? It's much more complicated to use than VDPAU without offering any real benefits, and it's horribly documented, which means not at all.
    Last edited by greg; 04-19-2009 at 09:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohcQaH View Post
    Yeah, so will development unhindered by testing procedures. The 180.50 release somehow didn't work on 7xxx cards any more, and nobody noticed before release

    as a nvidia user I always dread upgrading the nvidia-drivers. Regressions are way too common
    So, you mean they released a non final driver for review and use, catch a bug because of it, and then 2 days later release another to fix the bug? THOSE BASTARDS!!!!

    Ooops, wait a minute, isn't that the whole purpose of releasing a pre-release?
    Last edited by deanjo; 04-19-2009 at 09:27 AM.

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