Sapphire 4850X2 Random Crash
This is my first post here, so forgive me if I'm not in line with the local customs...
I recently had to change my mobo on my workstation, and decided to upgrade the GFX card as well (previously, an Nvidia 8600GT was perfectly rocking the box). Considering the price (150€), I bought a Sapphire 4850X2 - but didn't know the ATI linux driver support was so poor (I promised myself 10 years ago never to buy ATI again after some nightmarish driver experience, things didnt change much it seems...)
Well, I suceeded in having Xorg launching (with this card, I HAVE TO enable crossfire, and if I don't, I only get a black screen and a PC lockup). I had to disable compositing as well (it froze the PC)
The problem is, as soon as the card get a bit of stress, either the PC reboot or freeze. There is not enough time for the system to write any log. For example, Google Earth crash the machine after 30 seconds of exploration.
Not to mention the system is perfectly working using any catalyst version under Windows XP.
System is Mandriva 2009.1
Linux localhost 188.8.131.52-desktop-1mnb #1 SMP Thu May 14 14:14:48 EDT 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ GNU/Linux
Catalyst is patched 9.4 (9.5 didnt compile, even with the 2.6.29 patch)
Using KDE4 (but any DE will freeze in the same random way).
If anyone can help me narrow the problem, I would be grateful.
Thanks in advance !
Are you sure you did completely uninstall nvidia drivers?
Absolutely sure... Just to be most sure of anything, I installed a fresh minimal distro on another filesystem : same behavior.
Originally Posted by Kano
Best return it as long as you can
Well, in the same price range and where I live, Nvidia speaking, I'll get something like a 250GTS, wich will definetely not please my central 1920x1200 monitor.
Originally Posted by Kano
Since that 4850X2 has plenty of DVI outputs (4) and some power to give, I think I'll take the challenge... On top of that, IT IS NOT A FAULTY card... It surely need some tweaking, and the drivers are not that great yet (and the Free ones did not even start X), but I'm pretty sure it can run smoothly in linux.
The callenge for ati is that you are a gamer and not a workstation user, so you lost already. Btw. i checked prices. GTS 250 is available for 105 € on alternate and GTX 260 begins with 145 €, and the GT200 chip should be fast enough for your monitor. So when then compare then use a card from the same price region.
Last edited by Kano; 06-09-2009 at 06:30 AM.
Are you pretty sure it's not power supply ? IIRC the X2 boards need quite a lot of +12 capacity. Power profiles won't be exactly the same on Linux and Windows...
Never heard before that you need a better psu for Linux
There have been a variety of posts complaining that power management with the Catalyst driver was less aggressive on Linux than on Windows. If people are saying "my card is drawing more power on Linux" that kind of implies more power would be needed from the power supply, wouldn't it ?
I don't know the current status of Linux vs Windows power draw, but there have been some anecdotal reports of a power difference in the past.
Last time I checked my PSU was certified by ATI (a Corsair 650W) to work well with this card.
Anyway after digging around, I kinda managed to stabilize the card under 'nux, found out the 9.4 driver just work if I disable cpufreq managment (can't explain exactly why though).
I now have a working setup with compiz functional (though KDE4 compositing effects still freeze the machine, strange I thought they were using the same set of X11 extensions)
Still, while OpenGL work and performances are quite good (one of the few games I play, Future Pinball - DeadHunters via wine, is smoother all maxed & FSAA x4 under linux at 1920x1200 while there is a few stutter under windows).
2D performance though is a bit of a concern.
Movie playback as well, as there seem to be no vsync'ing, and I have to disable compiz to reach some watchable framerate (it used to work ok with compiz enabled on a Geforce 8600GT).
Is there any xorg.conf options to set, so that the card can play movies ok ? Some overlay or acceleration to set up ? The windows driver can play HD flawlessly, so why couldnt the linux do the same ?
Another concern is the heat in the case (wich is quite correclty set up with a rear to front ventilation) : 50/60° (cpu, gpu and mobo as well) when idling seems very high.
Final word, I bought that card partly for the 4 DVI connectors (no other card available with that much ports in this price range), but since Crossfire HAS to be enabled (if not : black screen, SysReq works though), only 2 ports can be used for now with X11.
Bottom line, if anyone passing by and has problem with this card with a >=2.6.29 kernel, use the 9.4 driver, the 9.5 didnt work (maybe 9.6 when it will be out), patched with the 2.9.29 patch, and don't forget to configure both card GPU in xorg.conf, and enable crossfire :
aticonfig --initial -f --adapter=all
aticonfig --cfa --adapter=0,1
aticonfig --cf=on --adapter=0
Compositing and compiz are working ok, so it is ok to enable the extension in xorg.cong as well.
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