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    Quote Originally Posted by smitty3268 View Post
    Q's point that modern systems don't really need video acceleration except to save power is a good one. So is Kano's that fglrx sucks for home users. I'm not sure even AMD would dispute that, it's the whole reason they are supporting the OSS drivers.
    "except to save power"

    this is just wrong phoronix thest this a GPU solution need MORE power consuming than a modern CPU!

    you can save power consuming by using the CPU!!!


    GPU acceleration is a pur Lie! a nvidia marketing Lie!

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    I agree with Kano, 100%. To say, the priority is workstation cards or workstation support is to neglect mainstream consumers/customers and throw away an opportunity with regards to Nvidia. Maybe that is not a concern or of any consideration. But, there are probably a lot of users would prefer a driver encompass a wide variety of uses or cover the entire potential use of the card.

    Linux users might want a high performance card and maybe they dual boot. So, an expensive card won't be supported 100% or teh priority won't be there?

    Saying there is OSS support is nice but not a major factor for the average customer! Besides, there's even a report on here that presents the OSS driver support of a current state being woefully inferior to fglrx driver performance of something like FOUR YEARS AGO. Most people will use what works and offers optimal performance whether it's 3D, video play, whatever. If Windows and Workstations, then admit it so users can decide if they want to get a Nvidia card or dual boot for a while until support improves enough.

    As for the latest claims that the ATI hardware is superior and doesn't run as hot with lower temps. That's true. That is one reason I wanted a newer ATI card. But, this is only an advantage if you're often dual booting into Windows. If the fglrx drivers are so shoddy and the OSS drivers are always late and not optimized, then the advantages probably won't be there or work fully. I will hate to do it but I'll look at the GT 240 since it's cheap and I'll then wait to see what happens on the ATI side. I also use video a lot and video issues would be frustrating as it's probably a chore just to install the drivers in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panix View Post
    I agree with Kano, 100%.
    if you support cloused source up to 100% like kano (kano likes(use) vista to)
    '''Bridgman use Vista to to go into the 'internet' '''

    then you also can delete your Linux/bsd/opensolaris and use Windows7!

    its funny to talk to non foss people they do not unterstand foss at all.

    the game 'foss' is not abaut getting the best cloused source driver...

    if you need a cloused source driver to run an FOSS OS (kano) or a cloused-source OS to go into the internet(bridgman) you are lost!

    FOSS in real means: do not sell your soul to the devil

    use a cloused source driver or use a cloused source os means sell your soul to the devil.

    you are just lost!

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    My card is a LOWER clocked gt220, the one tested is a OC card. You must have dreamt that your 4670 needs less power. Where did you see 16w for your card?

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2445-16.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Nvidia has got legacy drivers, just not for the oldest series 71.xx for new Xservers. Ok, thats not nice, but those cards are at least 10 y old. ATI legacy cards are R300-R500, and those were even sold in new systems at the time of being legacy - the oss driver at that time was not really in good shape when the cards have been dropped from fglrx. Certainly nv could do more for the oss drivers, it is a shame that fermi cards will not even get modesetting support in nv but in the next 5y these cards will be most likely better supported than anything from other companies. As long as you don't have em in a laptop a replacement should be relatively easy possible until pci-e is outdated - so you are not really depending on long term support.
    Actually Kano I've just recently ran 10 year old nVidia cards on Ubuntu 9.10 with their binary drivers. That kind of support does seem to put ATI well behind in terms of legacy support from binary drivers.

    For instance when using an nVidia GeForece2 MX-400 Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 Beta will happily install the nVidia blob for you and that works pretty darn well (as ar as that card can at least )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    FOSS in real means: do not sell your soul to the devil

    use a cloused source driver or use a cloused source os means sell your soul to the devil.
    Please tell me you're joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    "except to save power"

    this is just wrong phoronix thest this a GPU solution need MORE power consuming than a modern CPU!

    you can save power consuming by using the CPU!!!


    GPU acceleration is a pur Lie! a nvidia marketing Lie!
    Either the test is broken (bad config, bad reference, etc.) or the GPU is broken. Reality is this is a power saving solution: the Poulsbo decoder is around 200 mW. When overlay is used and 3D engine not used, the latter is simply shut down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Enlighten me please. I am not seeing any proper linux support from nvidia neither. Oh yes, their binary blob is kinda good. But thats only because of their shared codebase with windows. Well fglrx uses the "same" kind of shared codebase, but they also got the oss drivers.
    The NVIDIA/VDPAU driver is genuine, it's not a wrapper around the Windows module or code base. Some postproc algorithms are even different. The AMD/XvBA driver is "simply" a wrapper around the Windows driver. If you read around the forums, I am sure you can obviously see which of those works best. There are other examples but I can't go into greater details.

    What do you mean by "I am not seeing any proper linux support from nvidia neither"? OSS is not a reason, so why do you say so? I personally don't care if the driver is proprietary. I just want it to work correctly with the claimed features. i.e. if I pay for a GPU with certain features, I want to use them. Otherwise, either I buy something else or I have to get the GPU for a seriously discounted price to compensate the claimed features that are not available (properly) to Linux...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    My card is a LOWER clocked gt220, the one tested is a OC card. You must have dreamt that your 4670 needs less power. Where did you see 16w for your card?

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2445-16.html
    you are just wrong the same artikel:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...20,2445-8.html

    shows that the 4670 is much faster!

    you can't compare a slow gtx220 to an fast 4670!

    uuuhhh your artikle uses windows7(vista) and the 4670 uses 1 single watt more in idle! LOL!!!

    yes but only because the card is much faster!

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    Good find, your card is faster. Only very few ppl would buy a GT220 for gaming - i only got it to watch hd movies, even a G210 would be enough for that - but this card i got for free and a G210 i would need to buy, so what would you have used then?

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