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    Default GNOME 3.0 May Not Come Until September 2010

    Phoronix: GNOME 3.0 May Not Come Until September 2010

    Back in July of 2008 we learned of GNOME 3.0 as plans were laid out during the GUADEC '08 conference to make the GNOME 2.30 release their "3.0" version. A art and user-interface followed months later and then this April the GNOME 3.0 road-map was laid out that put this release, which will overhaul the GNOME desktop in comparison to the usual incremental releases, to come in March of 2010...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzY3MQ

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    Between Windows 7, MacOS and Kde4...... what is the purpose of gnome? We don't need another Windows 98 user interface do we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletxt View Post
    Between Windows 7, MacOS and Kde4...... what is the purpose of gnome? We don't need another Windows 98 user interface do we?
    i cant believe i had to do this. I mean, seriously.



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    It's probably best if it got pushed back a little. I'm sure the GNOME guys don't want to repeat KDE 4.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvtcupcakes View Post
    It's probably best if it got pushed back a little. I'm sure the GNOME guys don't want to repeat KDE 4.0
    Agreed, I like the idea of a nicer interface for gnome, but the current state of gnome-shell doesn't build a whole lot of confidence in having something stable and feature full by March.

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    Yeah I agree as well. Better later and good than sooner and shitty.

    @L33F3R
    Good shot hahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvtcupcakes View Post
    It's probably best if it got pushed back a little. I'm sure the GNOME guys don't want to repeat KDE 4.0
    You also forget to mention that it's better to be KDE4 than Enlightenment e17.

    Or better to be KDE4 than to be Gnome even. Gnome 2.0 game out in 2002. In 7 years, can you honestly name me 5 major improvements? Do they even have a stable full featured music manager yet? (IIRC Banshee still doesn't support sorting by genre). Clean or not, that's a damn shame.

    And I say this as a gnome users on Gentoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Sixpack View Post
    In 7 years, can you honestly name me 5 major improvements?
    Go and search yourself, lazy. Gnome has evolved constantly in the last few years.



    As far as W98-look-alike claims are concerned, it's IMHO stupid to compare a more than 12 years old operating system to a modern and highly flexible desktop environment.

    Seriously, every user can easily make his system look like Vista/7 or give it a completely unique appearance on the other hand. There's no need to bash gnome developers for their decision to give it a simple and clean look that will make every user understand its elements functionality at the first look.



    Btw, @next9, this is no "real and actual vanilla gnome", it's Debian's design (with only a few changes though).

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    Please don't generalize, there is no such thing as the typical KDE or Gnome user.

    Use what you want to use and be happy with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    Evolution, Accessibility, GStreamer (with automatic codec installer), Seahorse, Orca, Tomboy, Cheese, GVFS, Brasero, fast user switching, tabbed Nautilus.
    Well tbh Nautilus having tabs is not a groundbreaking feature -- rather a sign for the stubborness of the devs as that was a real old feature-request -- neither is fast user switching or Tomboy or Evolution (what groundbreaking changes were there, IMAP?).

    Imo there are other, better examples that happened in the Gnome ecosystem, like PackageKit, ConsoleKit and DeviceKit. Great basis for future developement and used by other DEs as well. E.g. look at that new tool to manage your drives that uses DeviceKit, really nice that you can look at the S.M.A.R.T figures and make a test etc. from a nice gui. There happened a lot though imo Gnome devs -- or the ones deciding what comes in -- often are too conservative and don't use the potential Gnome could have --> options are not bad neither are they evil! Still their conservatism is also one of Gnome's strengths, its like Ying and Yang finding a balance and that is pretty hard.

    On the window decoration part, nearly everything is possible with the changes Marco Martin (IIRC!) did, you could make the windows look like the plasma widgets etc. there just needs to be someone writing a theme for it. I have forgotten the name though.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    Consistency, man, the point is consistency. If I hover on a button, I expect it to shine. I expect a tooltip to unfold and explain its function. If neither happens, it's broken and should be fixed (at least in the Gnome world, but I doubt KDE views this differently).
    Don't generalize please. There are lot's of KDE devs that aren't really happy with situations you outlined above, there are also some who don't really like the new notifications etc. (heck I e.g. don't like the new "thingy" to add plasmoids, the dialog was not ideal either but could have been improved but that is just my opinion) but as it often is devs can be stubborn, especially on their brainchild. --> heck if I have compositing on I also want the option to turn transparency of my plasma widgets off, I don't like transparency.

    On Gnome 3 what I'm missing is Gtk 3, there is nothing groundbreaking for Gtk 3 really, look at the changes of Qt, look at what we will have with Qt 4.6 in a few weeks --> animating has become so easy, I know there is Clutter, but clutter needs OpenGL Qt does not. On the Qt board there happened so much and in the following months there will happen even more (QMF for one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Sixpack View Post
    In 7 years, can you honestly name me 5 major improvements?
    User features:
    - taskbar overhaul: blinking notification to aplication, drag and drop, drag and drop between workspaces
    - menubar reorganized to have much more clarity from two entries to three entries
    - open-save dialogs are much better, can be added new sources (like search integration with beagle/tracker)
    - standardized theme and set of icons that make any GNOME distro to give a non-distro specific Gnome look (Clearlooks)

    Technology:
    - support for composite (also cause of cairo) and which enable some applications as gnome-do to look nice on a composite desktop
    - desktop search API
    - help technology replaced
    - improved accesibility with Orca
    - telepathy framework
    - PolicyKit integration
    - Freedesktop integration

    Gtk:
    - toolkit: switching from Gdk to Cairo
    - mono interoperability
    - switching from gvfs to gio
    - GtkBuilder replaces Glade (which went to version 3 that do not generate source-code as it's predecesors, but was a separate library)

    Hardware API abstractisation:
    - D-BUS to send notifications as low batery, but not only. Is a IPC framework that will be adopted later even by KDE
    - swith hardware API to Hal (and maybe later DeviceKit, but may be a part of Gnome 3)
    - switch from ESD to GStreamer

    This seems to be all I remember, in short, sorry for what was skipped, but comparing GNOME 2.0 with Gnome 2.28 is plain silly. Is just like saying that GCC 4.0 is the same with GCC 4.4 and is use the same Gimple language and it stores it's definitions in SSA form, and we need to release GCC 5 as GCC 4.0 do not get enough fast binaries (compared with compiler X) and GCC 4 is based on the same bad technology.

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