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    Default How The X Stack In Ubuntu 10.04 LTS May Look

    Phoronix: How The X Stack In Ubuntu 10.04 LTS May Look

    Canonical's Ubuntu Developer Summit for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (codenamed Lucid Lynx) is taking place this week in Texas, but happening right now on the Ubuntu-X mailing list is a discussion about what the X.Org plans are for Ubuntu Lucid.Bryce Harrington, Canonical's principal X leader, has shared his views about the X.Org package set for Ubuntu 10.04. As far as the X Server goes, Bryce believes it is a question between the 1.6, 1.7, and 1.8 releases...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzcxOQ

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    Wow, so OSS 3D stack will still not be in good shape even in 10.04? Time to keep investing on nVidia's card then. Thanks for letting me know this

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    How did you conclude that ? Michael was talking about fglrx...

    There will also need to be proprietary graphics driver support in Ubuntu 10.04 by the time it ships in April, which would give AMD only one shot (Catalyst 10.4) at delivering X Server 1.8 support, seeing as they tend to not focus on supporting new kernel/X.Org releases until they are officially out.
    ... not open source...

    The Mesa stack in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS should also provide "out of the box" support for ATI Radeon R600/700 series graphics.
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    I think they should go with 2.6.33 even if it means delaying the release to 10.05 or 10.06. Assuming the VMware stuff lives up to the hype, having it in could mean alot of new users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernodv View Post
    I think they should go with 2.6.33 even if it means delaying the release to 10.05 or 10.06. Assuming the VMware stuff lives up to the hype, having it in could mean alot of new users.
    Yes, Ubutnu fixed/inflexible release schedules are bringing a lot of troubles by using quick and dirty hacks by getting just some of the git fixes from upstream with mixed software versions. May or June could be better for release to get the all new already relased stable kernel/drivers/software (kernel 2.6.33 with xserver 1.8 and new stable or stabilized drivers) and do some good testing before release.

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    So is there hope for OpenGL with OSS drivers on a 3870 with ubuntu 10.04? Inclusive playing games under wine?

    I'm a bit confused which X-server, Mesa and Kernel is needed.

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    Maybe U gets a new fglrx beta for it, ATI only releases a driver with newer Xserver support when they are really forced by U. They never did something for Fedora or others which currently already use something newer than Xserver 1.6.

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    Why blame Ati/AMD for what is likely to be Canonical's decisions?

    It is their choice to use or not use the latest releases, and some of their choices... such as potentially sticking to Xserver 1.6 when 1.7 is already out and potentially 1.8 will also be out seems to be... serious.

    You can't blame Ati/AMD if Canonical decide to use software that is almost 6 months "too old".

    Since we are in the time frame of RHEL 6... you never know, Canonical may decide to piggy back on Red Hat supported packages instead of Debian supported packages for their LTS.

    In short, support costs and I think that they have realised just how much it costs to support packages LTS... and ever since they have been trying to push the responsibility onto others - onto upstream by demanding difference release cycles, onto other distributions by asking for synced release cycles.

    Currently they are latching onto the work done by Debian, and well, Debian is conservative (and is also probably a year away from its next release date/plan to start freezing even more.)

    Funny thing is, while people can argue that Canonical can get away without investing in many areas because others are already doing so, graphics is one area where the extra manpower over the coming months/year or so could have a major impact on the whole thing. Just sponsor a developer or two to focus on one major chipset family. If Ati is covered (but I am sure some of the part time volunteer developers can be coerced to do the work full time), choose nVidia or even Via and gvet the whole stack up to speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasenpfote View Post
    So is there hope for OpenGL with OSS drivers on a 3870 with ubuntu 10.04? Inclusive playing games under wine?

    I'm a bit confused which X-server, Mesa and Kernel is needed.
    Mesa 7.7 should have atleast OpenGL 1.4 for the R6xx/7xx drivers.

    If the GLSL work is backported from HEAD, it may even have OpenGL 2.0, but that seems unlikely as from watching Mesa 7.6 after branching, it seemed to only get stability fixes.

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    Just a thought if LTS is intended to be in use for several years then isn't it wiser to include support for new technologies/hardware at the beginning so there would be a chance that it will be able to support hardware which will appear over those several years? If included software/drivers will be outdated at the beginning then what can one say after a year or two? Maybe this approach can also lower the costs of support in the future as new hardware could be supported out of the box?

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