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    Default Ubuntu is NOT a part of community

    Yesterday, I saw interesting video of Greg Kroah-Hartman Linux Plumbers Keynote:

    Greg Kroah-Hartman Linux Plumbers Keynote

    It reassured me about my point of view of Ubuntu/Canonical. No matter what you think about ubuntu, the video is worth watching. The raw numbers are clear but I found most interesting moment Greg draws schemes on a board with people interacting upstream and downstream.

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    This is really old news.

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    There are improving. Maybe not with Linux, but with other desktop relevant fields (Gnome/KDE applications etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2kx View Post
    There are improving. Maybe not with Linux, but with other desktop relevant fields (Gnome/KDE applications etc.).
    Good one.

    For every component of Linux, Ubuntu was at the bottom of the list.

    What I don't get is why this SITE promotes the heck out of Ubuntu when they contribute SO little to Linux and Open Source? Every test of hardware, it's Ubuntu. Drivers comparison? Ubuntu. Makes no sense to me. Ubuntu is the most popular mainstream Linux OS, so what? Use Fedora or Debian from time to time for tests. Or sidux or Mepis since they are more mainstream-oriented for debian-based distros. Or how about Mandriva which is quite noob friendly. At least, they contribute.

    Also, is there a worse combo of Ubuntu and ATI?!?

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    A lot of distros work the same way, no just Ubuntu. It's just that since Ubuntu has grown so much people are starting to look at the problem more closely.

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    One of the controversial thing is, Ubuntu is traditionally and loudly mark themselves as the most communitiest community. Whitch is completelly bullshit. They have nothing to do with community. Even Debian, witch they clone, is not satisfied with the feedback.

    Only taking and not giving back, this is not community.

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    Ubuntu is very popular and compared to that the efforts they have to do on their own is lower than Red Hat and SuSE. If you create a distribution it is in most cases compared to U, so you have to be better in some areas otherwise somebody could just use U. ATI seems to love U in a way that they are the only ones that receive public beta drivers in time for a new release. Maybe because they focus on enterprise distributions and think that Fedora (which is usally the first major distro with new xserver) is only used by OSS supporters who dislike binary drivers anyway.

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    @Melcar

    You have to submit a launchpad errorentry and best a tested patch then you usually get a fix. I did that several times as i reuse the U kernel and have got only a few extra patches left, most are inside the U kernel (or the mainline).

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    I would not annouce a distro as super easy. As long as you manage to see something on the screen you can usually get help - if there are qualified helpers. Also you should be able to go online of couse. When you boot and see nothing then you are in real trouble. Users should not fear the commandline even if thats not the Win way of solving things. Mouse clicking is nice for webbrowsers but not to do admin tasks. Of couse when i write a fire and forget script the learning curve is not that high, but at least somebody learns that things could be automated in a very smart way - the smaller scripts are even relatively easy to understand for somebody who is familiar with any programming language.

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    What can I say, I've yet to report a bug to Ubuntu without some developer checking with and/or offering a patch to upstream. As an end-user, my impression is that Ubuntu developers work pretty closely with upstream.

    Yes, Ubuntu is not a major contributor to the kernel and I honestly don't see what's the big deal with that. Arch, PCLinuxOS or pretty much any distro other than Red Hat / SuSE / Debian isn't a big contributor either, but you don't see people bitching about that.

    Jealousy is the name.

    The fact is that Ubuntu has managed to convert more people from Windows to Linux than any other distro out there. It is usable, polished, fast and easy to get started with. Yes there are better distros out there if you are looking into specific use-cases, but nothing can match Ubuntu on the whole package.

    Maybe you think that's irrelevant or even detrimental to the linux ecosystem. That's your right. It's also short-sighted.

    All I can say is, thank you Ubuntu for bringing the fun back to computing (and I'm saying that after using Windows 3.1-7, Mac OS X, FreeBSD, Fedora, Debian, openSUSE and Arch for sizeable periods of time).

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