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    Default Motherboard choice dilemma... [formerly: Improved ION IGP w/better VDPAU support?]

    Has anyone heard of anything like this on the cards very soon?
    Ideally an IGP with post processing abilities equal to the recently released GT 2xx range
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs

    I'm thinking of buying a media front-end for my Myth set-up & I'm not sure
    I want ION-based with the advent of the more capable GT 2xx cards...

    Thanks
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    ION2 is rumored to be based on the GT2xx stuff, i.e. feature set C, i.e. hardware MPEG4 decoding. It's also rumored to be out Very Soon. Alas, the repeating key word here is "rumor."

    FWIW, original ION is pretty good for MythTV frontend. I got one a few months ago and am still using as a front and back, though it's a bit overworked in that role. But the 9400M is able to handle anything MPEG2 that you get from TV, and anything H.264 that I've seen so far from .. er .. other sources. When it comes to MPEG4, amazingly, the Atom is able to handle most stuff just fine, but I have run into some high-def MPEG4 that seemed to be a little too much for it. So yeah, I understand that desire for GT2xx.

    Wait as long as you can, and if you can't wait any more, then get the original ION and you'll actually be pretty happy, I think.
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    Yeah I really need something in the next few weeks.
    Can you point me to the source of these rumours, I'd like to chase this up some more?!

    When you chose the ION, which actual mobo did you get and why?
    I'm trying to decide if I want just the bare components & then source my own case, or buy something like an acer revo.

    Thanks!

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    ION2 is rumored to be based on the GT2xx stuff, i.e. feature set C, i.e. hardware MPEG4 decoding. It's also rumored to be out Very Soon. Alas, the repeating key word here is "rumor."

    FWIW, original ION is pretty good for MythTV frontend. I got one a few months ago and am still using as a front and back, though it's a bit overworked in that role. But the 9400M is able to handle anything MPEG2 that you get from TV, and anything H.264 that I've seen so far from .. er .. other sources. When it comes to MPEG4, amazingly, the Atom is able to handle most stuff just fine, but I have run into some high-def MPEG4 that seemed to be a little too much for it. So yeah, I understand that desire for GT2xx.

    Wait as long as you can, and if you can't wait any more, then get the original ION and you'll actually be pretty happy, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
    Yeah I really need something in the next few weeks.
    Can you point me to the source of these rumours, I'd like to chase this up some more?!
    By end of 2009 rumor, 220 rumor.

    When you chose the ION, which actual mobo did you get and why?
    I went with Zotac's IONITX (the version with external power supply). I chose it because of positive reviews and the fact that I can put it in an absurdly small mini-itx case (though I haven't done that yet).

    Kano's a developer so his opinion about Atom slowness is skewed. If you're just building an appliance, you're probably not going to be compiling as much as he does (maybe even never, depending on what distro you use). It's true that Atom is slow compared to any other modern processor, but that's because all modern processors are blazing fast overkill monsters. This is a good time to be alive.

    His advice about a better processor and GT220 card ain't bad, though, as long as you don't mind that your computer will end up physically larger.

    BTW, I'm (soon?) going to split my MythTV into two pieces (separate front/back boxes) and it's true that I'm considering a faster-than-Atom processor (I want an Athlon II X2 240e but can't find them!) for the backend, but that's mainly due to not being able to find Atom boards with more than 3 SATA ports. Now that TV is is digital so you never have to encode video, Atom's "slowness" just doesn't matter when it comes to MythTV.
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    Some great points thanks,

    I already have a core2duo based system for the back-end so I guess any transcoding can be done on it.
    It might be painful at times if I want to build anything from source, but I imagine I won't be doing that too often.

    As you said there is some mpeg4 HD that it struggles with...
    But so long as there's a spare PCI-E 8x slot I can always add a GT2xx later if needs be!

    Hopefully there's also one PCI slot for a discrete sound-card!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zapitron View Post
    By end of 2009 rumor, 220 rumor.



    I went with Zotac's IONITX (the version with external power supply). I chose it because of positive reviews and the fact that I can put it in an absurdly small mini-itx case (though I haven't done that yet).

    Kano's a developer so his opinion about Atom slowness is skewed. If you're just building an appliance, you're probably not going to be compiling as much as he does (maybe even never, depending on what distro you use). It's true that Atom is slow compared to any other modern processor, but that's because all modern processors are blazing fast overkill monsters. This is a good time to be alive.

    His advice about a better processor and GT220 card ain't bad, though, as long as you don't mind that your computer will end up physically larger.

    BTW, I'm (soon?) going to split my MythTV into two pieces (separate front/back boxes) and it's true that I'm considering a faster-than-Atom processor (I want an Athlon II X2 240e but can't find them!) for the backend, but that's mainly due to not being able to find Atom boards with more than 3 SATA ports. Now that TV is is digital so you never have to encode video, Atom's "slowness" just doesn't matter when it comes to MythTV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
    But so long as there's a spare PCI-E 8x slot I can always add a GT2xx later if needs be!

    Hopefully there's also one PCI slot for a discrete sound-card!?
    No, the Zotac IONITX (and I suspect most Atom systems are like this) is relatively unexpandable. Buy it only if you like it as-is.

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    thanks for your insights!

    how's the zino HD as a media front end, do you reckon its a waste of time?
    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...170527&page=36
    Tis all AMD-based..

    Last I checked AMD's equivalent of vdpau was quite underdeveloped, but thing might have changes somewhat...

    thanks again :-)

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    There is a xvba-video wrapper to use it with vaapi - but please do not spend money for that to try it is not worth.

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    So you're saying that AMD graphics are still no good?

    What about AMD platform in general on Linux?
    Do AMD based mobo's typically work as reliably out of the box?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    There is a xvba-video wrapper to use it with vaapi - but please do not spend money for that to try it is not worth.

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    Hey guys,
    You reckon you could answer these final questions?
    Very much appreciated!

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