Best posts ever!

[cleric]

After digging for information regarding audio support on G210/GT220 cards i found myself within a fanboy war (once again)... and read this:

To be clear about this... I was refering to the windows drivers comparison. On linux no doubt... nvidia is imho the better choice if you're only interested in the performance and features

Well - beside performance, features (and maybe stability)... i wonder what else could be important for a video card driver Color of the manufacturers website? Size of download?


Please - if you find similar stuff - plz post below! OR if i am 100% wrong - plz flame me

[d2kx]

OR if i am 100% wrong - plz flame me

Besides features and performance, a lot of users care about whether it's free software. This is what he meant I guess.

But you're right with that Phoronix has lots of posts that make you laugh out really loud. It's a forum which includes flame wars (AMD Vs. nVidia), conspiracy (Jade), appreciation (OpenSource AMD Linux category), hate (Proprietary AMD Linux category), helpful technical explainations (bridgman), developers opinions (agd5f, libv) and simple stuff and that's why we're here, right?

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BlackStar has been quality lately.

GTK is left further and further in the dust and sucks and I wish it would die.

Gnome looks like Windows 98 and I wish it would die.

[Hephasteus]

Plus nvidia being so completely closed though they did release agpart to Open Source like ancient history matters. It could be a mere matter of a year before S3 has better linux drivers than they do.

[tarun321]

I like Nvidia

[BlackStar]

BlackStar has been quality lately.

Glad I could be of service. The sad thing is that people actually believe those things, as evidenced by the "Desktop Linux" section.

However, the award for the best post ever goes hands down to yotambien for his detailed analysis on Gnome, KDE, Microsoft, Stallman and the world. It's too big to quote here, but suffice to say I haven't laughed so hard to a forum post before - genius!

As for the second place...

I hope this will die soon.

(summing up the sentiments of the whole "anti" crowd)

[kraftman]

@Blackstar

This what Yotambien said is rather sad true. It can be even easily explained why you react this way:

http://www.strandreports.com/sw4031.asp (this is actually about iPhones, but Gnome matches perfectly here).

Stockholm Syndrome - a term that was invented by psychologists after a hostage drama in Stockholm. Here hostages reacted to the psychological pressure they were experiencing, by defending the people that had held them hostage for 6 days.

(summing up the sentiments of the whole "anti" crowd)

I'm 'anti', because I don't like the trash which mono is? If this is the reason to being 'anti' I'm proud. Btw. I'm anti Mono, Gnomono and MS, so you're pro.

The sad thing is that people actually believe those things, as evidenced by the "Desktop Linux" section.

The sad thing is people believe in all this bull at planet gnome and to what Icaza and others like 'Lefty' say.

[BlackStar]

I'm 'anti', because I don't like trash which mono is? If this is the reason to being 'anti' I'm proud.

This is not about Mono specifically, the "anti" crowd just needs something to oppose. What something? Doesn't matter. It may be a technological item (desktop envinoment, operating system, programming language, technology stack), but this mentality also surfaces in political, ideological or even a scientific matters.

This attitude typically manifests like this:
1. encounter an item that triggers this mentality and shuts down rational thought
2. state that this item is trash and that it shouldn't even exist
3. search for arguments that support #2 and ignore arguments that don't

Note that this runs counter to rational thought processes. A rational person first compares both sides of an issue before reaching a conclusion. An "anti" person first reaches a conclusion and then tries to rationalize it.

The key here is the shutting down of rational thought. For a member of the "anti" crowd, the thought that "hey, this stuff may actually be useful in its niche" doesn't even cross his mind. To him, the niche either doesn't exist or, worse, shouldn't even exist.

Mono seems to trigger that mentality a lot, as does Gnome/GTK and a number of other topics that surface on these forums.

[kraftman]

This is not about Mono specifically, the "anti" crowd just needs something to oppose. What something? Doesn't matter. It may be a technological item (desktop envinoment, operating system, programming language, technology stack), but this mentality also surfaces in political, ideological or even a scientific matters.

This attitude typically manifests like this:
1. encounter an item that triggers this mentality and shuts down rational thought
2. state that this item is trash and that it shouldn't even exist
3. search for arguments that support #2 and ignore arguments that don't

Note that this runs counter to rational thought processes. A rational person first compares both sides of an issue before reaching a conclusion. An "anti" person first reaches a conclusion and then tries to rationalize it.

The key here is the shutting down of rational thought. For a member of the "anti" crowd, the thought that "hey, this stuff may actually be useful in its niche" doesn't even cross his mind. To him, the niche either doesn't exist or, worse, shouldn't even exist.

And now you change your attitude to trollish one. Do you suggest if someone consider some thing (mono in this case) to being bad, slow, useless, made to make Gnome dependent on MS language which C# is, he's just 'anti', because he has different opinion then you? This smells like some fanboys talk or like attempt to shut people mouth, because if they don't agree with you or with Icaza (just read comments on his blog), Lefty they're being marked as "ANTI". Btw. those points you made reminds me your "discussion" about mono.

Mono seems to trigger that mentality a lot, as does Gnome/GTK and a number of other topics that surface on these forums.

Ask yourself why? There must be something wrong with those things.

[BlackStar]

I have no problem with discourse, disagreement and rational arguments. I agree that there are lots of things wrong with Mono, Gnome and GTK. I do *not* agree with the notion that they shouldn't exist. Let's not drag this thread off topic, though. Feel free to PM me or start a new thread if you wish to discuss this further.

So, any other good posts for this thread?

[kraftman]

I have no problem with discourse, disagreement and rational arguments.

It seems you've got sometimes problems with this (but who doesn't? )

I agree that there are lots of things wrong with Mono, Gnome and GTK. I do *not* agree with the notion that they shouldn't exist.

It seems I should make you some etiquette now, because you have different opinion then me

Let's not drag this thread off topic, though. Feel free to PM me or start a new thread if you wish to discuss this further.

So, any other good posts for this thread?

We were discussing the thing called Mono before, so I don't understand why did you said it doesn't matter what 'anti' crowd is against. You should know I'm not against mono, just because I'm against - I explained why I'm against it, so why did you called me 'anti'?