[QUOTE=yesterday;112078]Are you serious? You claim that there are legally available codecs available through many distributions, then as an example you trot out a $200 external device? And are we supposed to believe this is the common case, and as such Red Hat should prioritise MPEG4 hardware accell in open source drivers because pretty much all Linux users are using these $200 devices? [quote]

You asked for an example and I gave you that. BTW hw encoding cards are found for as little as $50 or the price of a good mouse.

Yes and htpc is a niche and certinaly a niche that doesn't purchases a lot of RHEL licenses. Trying to pass off the HTPC community as "most linux users" is disingenous.
LMFAO, you think people running RHEL give one ounce of shit towards useless crap to them like xrandr, flicker free boots, KMS? Nice to completely take the arguement completely out of the realm of the current discussion.

Moreover, most of these people who have modicum of common sense probably have an NVIDIA card and are hbappy running proprietary drivers with VDPAU.
Yes they are very happy, the same level of happiness is also desired by the free community users as well.


Yes and there is nothing stopping Fluendo from implementing VA-API or VDPAU support in their codecs or spend some development time improving OSS hardware accel if they feel there is such a huge demand they could profit from.
You don't quite get it do you. The codec is only one piece of the puzzle. Drivers have to make those hardware resources available to the supporting codec before any of that can happen.


Either you don't get it or you are being argumentative.
No I get what your saying, you just happen to be wrong.

There is nothing illegal about implementing hardware accelleration for these codecs, but it makes absolutely no sense for a company like Red Hat to spend time doing it unless their customers really demand it, since Red Hat / Fedora don't even distribute the codecs in question for a variety of very valid and real legal reasons. The other reality is that most Linux users do NOT own specialised MPEG4 encoding hardware because good quality x264 encoding hardware ISN'T commodity. However, there is nothing preventing any member of the community stepping up and providing hardware accell if the community demands are so huge.

Your entire rant about Red Hat's stance and your ad hominem attacks on Dave were just plain ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than the way you've tried to wriggle away from your actual statements.
I like how you keep trying to turn a decoding issue into a encoding issue. Facts are is that you can LEGALLY have encoded media even through linux and the the arguement that Dave presents that people just want to use it in illegal manners is PURE BULLSHIT.