Catalyst 10.1 and Xorg 7.5 / 1.7.x?

[RealNC]

Are you both using the ForceLowPowerMode option with the UMS drivers ? If not, sounds like you should be...

It doesn't do anything else than downclocking (last time I checked). Voltages stay at default values. Since only voltages matter with temps, downclocking doesn't do anything helpful. Temps stay the same if the voltage doesn't go down, no matter how much you downclock the card.

[mirv]

It doesn't do anything else than downclocking (last time I checked). Voltages stay at default values. Since only voltages matter with temps, downclocking doesn't do anything helpful. Temps stay the same if the voltage doesn't go down, no matter how much you downclock the card.

Actually it's consumed power that matters to the temperatures. Downclocking will make a difference for that reason, though pwm fans might spin down and the temps remain the same that way.

[Erikina]

Are you both using the ForceLowPowerMode option with the UMS drivers ? If not, sounds like you should be...

I wasn't aware of its existence. I'll give it a try after it comes back from warranty

Thanks

[Qaridarium]

IMO, power management is the only thing missing from the OSS drivers.

no thats wrong! power managment is finish right now but not yet in the mainline kernel...

next release push 2.6.34 will get the new power management code.

If I operate my 4870 with the open drivers, it sits there and fries. You could cook hamburgers on it.

ok... my 4670 isn't so 'hot' but yes kernel 2.6.34 will fix that!

[Qaridarium]

Ha! Same graphics card, same problem. And since the fglrx doesn't support my 3-month old xorg version yet -- it actually literal cooks itself to death. Luckily it's under warranty. Guess I'm giving them a business case to provide modern drivers (in a roundabout way ;D)

full 'power management' comes into kernel 2.6.34....

[Qaridarium]

"3D: in development": you know what that means, right?

over the last 3 years now the FGLRX was in development every day/release

and yes the 3D part was in development every release to!---

you can play games on the opensource driver like warzone2100!...

Anyway, the point is, 3D is an ongoing progression and it sounds like power saving is a major problem, too. Many of the R600+ cards (the Evergreens do better) can get quite hot and have relatively high power consumption. If the driver fails to keep them cool and you need to buy an aftermarket fan but then you have to worry about whether you have software for that, it can be quite frustrating as you can see. When I am shopping for a card, those are important factors, at least for me. Performance and stability notwithstanding.

yes the powermanegment comes into kernel 2.6.34

the failing of R800+ in the opensource driver was a real problem in my point of view...
thats a generall problem.
amd do not release specs of not released hardware but the opensource driver team needs the spec and the FGLRX team starts code the driver with the cloused internal specs long time before.
in this way to go the opensource driver will always need 1 year extra time...
if amd does not chance this you only can buy 1 year old hardware for the opensource driver..
and yes there is no bugfix for this problem!...

It is quite problematic if you have two choices of drivers but various problems associated with both. Then, if the card is older, you are looking at being restricted to only one choice (OSS). The newer cards have problems with fglrx and I have read that distros such as Fedora 12 and latest sidux don't even offer support for the latest fglrx driver as it can't even be used with latest X.org yet. So, you buy a new $200+ card and can't even use it and don' know when you can? That's a concern, huh?

yes, yes.... i think the open-source driver will grow up strongly

[Qaridarium]

It means that it WORKS and that they are now optimizing PERFORMANCE and finishing the implementation of features that may not be entirely completed, like OGL3.

It does NOT mean that the drivers are particularly broken or crashy. That would be "wip".

And FYI: there is not "NO" reduced power mode on those cards. There IS some mitigation of power consumption/heat -- enough to deal with the main problems of running a chip at full power all the time.

And again, back to the point you made about being in development... improvements to this are coming... FAST.

This driver works GREAT, and is getting EVEN BETTER.

And note: a LOT of things in this world are under development IN PERPETUITY! That means that they KEEP getting worked on until they are either no longer needed, or time itself ends. The LINUX KERNEL ITSELF is an example of this.

So don't get put off by a flag that says "in development". (Note: Actually, it says "mostly".)

thats it! thank you!... fglrx is in development every release...

[Qaridarium]

Linux as a desktop / multimedia OS is still a big joke, especially if you're one of the lucky users with an ATI card.

Here's the best recipe to survive the current Linux crisis:

1. Install Windows XP (all newer M$ OSes suck badly, including Win7), install the latest ATI Catalyst drivers for XP and stuff your OS with all kinds of Open Source apps and software.

Benefits:
You'll get fully working tear-free video acceleration, run the latest DirectX9 games and apps with blazing-fast performance, full OpenGL 3.2 support, OpenCL, 2D performance that's 100 times faster (in a non-composited environment) than the current *Open Source* ATI drivers for Linux, hassle-free high-quality audio with acceleration, working Flash 10.x with hardware acceleration, the fastest browsing experience (Opera 10.5 for Windows), Linux filesystem R/W support via Open Source drivers, use your favorite / old apps without relying on the extremely buggy WINE, play all protected audio/video formats, use less power, generate less heat and noise, use every feature your hardware supports and relieve yourself from the stress with the current state of Linux developments.

2. Then install your favorite Linux distro in a virtual machine (VirtualBox) for all your compiling/development needs.

3. Use Linux (preferably a Live Linux CD) only for online banking, as a server or for system recovery / troubleshooting.

4. Test the latest Linux distros and developments in the Linux world, contribute, buy games for Linux and most importantly - complain a lot Then go back to using Windows.

5. Wait a couple of years until everything in the Linux world stabilizes and then fully migrate to Linux.

what da fu.k you are a bad man.... Microsoft should pay you because you are good.

the slow 2D is a FGLRX only problem the radeon is very fast.

the flash problem will be fixed after galium3D+viedeoacceleration for the opensource driver yes 50% slower as the UVD2-fglrx version but yes faster than CPU only...

in my experience windows is more buggy as wine because wine only implement the same bugs as windows does for compatibility..

[Kano]

Maybe you overrate what the fglrx "team" does. Most likely the shared code between Win+Linux is the part which supports new hardware not the Linux specific addons. So basically fglrx gets this part automatically as soon as there is a win driver.

[Qaridarium]

Maybe you overrate what the fglrx "team" does. Most likely the shared code between Win+Linux is the part which supports new hardware not the Linux specific addons. So basically fglrx gets this part automatically as soon as there is a win driver.

yes... i know that