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    What kind of battery life are you seeing on the "low" profile compared to fglrx/windows/whatever you use for a reference ?

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    Roberto,

    I have followed your HOWTO from http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/.

    I am using the asus m51ta. I am getting sluggish 3d results.

    Code:
    [jon@Socrates ~]# glxgears
    3022 frames in 5.0 seconds = 604.354 FPS
    3147 frames in 5.0 seconds = 629.345 FPS
    3234 frames in 5.0 seconds = 646.792 FPS
    3245 frames in 5.0 seconds = 648.794 FPS
    2827 frames in 5.0 seconds = 565.214 FPS
    When Fedora13 installed the FPS were ~1300 using the 3200. Can you give me a brief howto on how to use the newer kernel to achieve higher FPS? I am on a fresh install just having done what you instructed in your blogspot post.

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    Hello Roberto,

    It seems things have gone a long way since my first post in 2009. You have moved the ball far and I greatly appreciate that!

    I have followed your howto from your blogspot post to the T. I have switchable graphics cards working properly.

    I notice however that I have a low FPS rate for the video cards.

    Code:
    [jon@Socrates ~]# glxgears
    3022 frames in 5.0 seconds = 604.354 FPS
    3147 frames in 5.0 seconds = 629.345 FPS
    3234 frames in 5.0 seconds = 646.792 FPS
    3245 frames in 5.0 seconds = 648.794 FPS
    2827 frames in 5.0 seconds = 565.214 FPS
    What must I do to increase my FPS? I am using Fedora13. I noticed in your one post you mentioned using the newest git kernel? If you could give me some guidance as to increase the capacity of my video cards, I would greatly appreciate it.

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    @jon_z: Hi, last time I tested (just with gtkperf (2d simple test) and glxgears (I know it's not a great 3d test)) these were the results (not different from yours):

    Date
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    2010/07/08

    Graphic card(s)
    ---------------
    01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
    02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650 (rev ff)

    Currently using integrated: ATI RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] with power ON,
    and not using discrete: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 with power OFF.

    CPU(s)
    ------
    model name : AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-82
    model name : AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-82

    Screen size and depth
    ---------------------
    dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
    depth of root window: 24 planes

    GLX Info
    --------
    OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
    OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RS780 9612) 20090101 TCL DRI2
    OpenGL version string: 2.0 Mesa 7.8.1
    OpenGL shading language version string: 1.10
    OpenGL extensions:

    Linux distro - Kernel
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    Fedora release 13 (Goddard) - Linux 2.6.34-vgaswitcheroo x86_64

    Installed open source video drivers
    -----------------------------------
    libdrm-2.4.21-2.fc13.x86_64
    libdrm-devel-2.4.21-2.fc13.x86_64
    mesa-dri-drivers-7.8.1-6.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.13.0-1.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.16-7.20100423git13c1043.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.8.2-1.fc13.x86_64

    Glxgears tests
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    1) glxgears test: 2973 frames in 5.0 seconds
    2) glxgears test: 3321 frames in 5.0 seconds
    3) glxgears test: 2635 frames in 5.0 seconds
    4) glxgears test: 3011 frames in 5.0 seconds
    5) glxgears test: 3086 frames in 5.0 seconds
    6) glxgears test: 2921 frames in 5.0 seconds
    7) glxgears test: 2956 frames in 5.0 seconds
    8) glxgears test: 3008 frames in 5.0 seconds
    9) glxgears test: 2840 frames in 5.0 seconds
    10) glxgears test: 2865 frames in 5.0 seconds
    +------------------------------------------+
    | Mean glxgears: 592.320 frames per second |
    +------------------------------------------+

    Gtkperf tests
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    1) gtkperf test: 11.71 seconds
    2) gtkperf test: 11.53 seconds
    3) gtkperf test: 11.59 seconds
    4) gtkperf test: 11.93 seconds
    5) gtkperf test: 11.75 seconds
    6) gtkperf test: 11.93 seconds
    7) gtkperf test: 12.30 seconds
    8) gtkperf test: 11.69 seconds
    9) gtkperf test: 11.90 seconds
    10) gtkperf test: 11.77 seconds
    +------------------------------+
    | Mean gtkperf: 11.810 seconds |
    +------------------------------+

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Date
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    2010/07/08

    Graphic card(s)
    ---------------
    01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
    02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650

    Currently using discrete: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 with power ON,
    and not using integrated: ATI RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] with power OFF.

    CPU(s)
    ------
    model name : AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-82
    model name : AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-82

    Screen size and depth
    ---------------------
    dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
    depth of root window: 24 planes

    GLX Info
    --------
    OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
    OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV635 9591) 20090101 TCL DRI2
    OpenGL version string: 2.0 Mesa 7.8.1
    OpenGL shading language version string: 1.10
    OpenGL extensions:

    Linux distro - Kernel
    ---------------------
    Fedora release 13 (Goddard) - Linux 2.6.34-vgaswitcheroo x86_64

    Installed open source video drivers
    -----------------------------------
    libdrm-2.4.21-2.fc13.x86_64
    libdrm-devel-2.4.21-2.fc13.x86_64
    mesa-dri-drivers-7.8.1-6.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.13.0-1.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.16-7.20100423git13c1043.fc13.x86_64
    xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.8.2-1.fc13.x86_64

    Glxgears tests
    --------------
    1) glxgears test: 3366 frames in 5.0 seconds
    2) glxgears test: 3209 frames in 5.0 seconds
    3) glxgears test: 2760 frames in 5.0 seconds
    4) glxgears test: 2808 frames in 5.0 seconds
    5) glxgears test: 3156 frames in 5.0 seconds
    6) glxgears test: 3391 frames in 5.0 seconds
    7) glxgears test: 3159 frames in 5.0 seconds
    8) glxgears test: 2933 frames in 5.0 seconds
    9) glxgears test: 2565 frames in 5.0 seconds
    10) glxgears test: 3324 frames in 5.0 seconds
    +------------------------------------------+
    | Mean glxgears: 613.420 frames per second |
    +------------------------------------------+

    Gtkperf tests
    -------------
    1) gtkperf test: 9.94 seconds
    2) gtkperf test: 9.59 seconds
    3) gtkperf test: 9.71 seconds
    4) gtkperf test: 9.50 seconds
    5) gtkperf test: 9.55 seconds
    6) gtkperf test: 9.52 seconds
    7) gtkperf test: 9.80 seconds
    8) gtkperf test: 9.47 seconds
    9) gtkperf test: 9.50 seconds
    10) gtkperf test: 9.69 seconds
    +-----------------------------+
    | Mean gtkperf: 9.627 seconds |
    +-----------------------------+

    If you want I can pass you the simple script that gave these results.

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    Will ever be possible to switch on the fly without having to log out?

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    Default Thinkpad W500 (Intel GMA 4500MHD + ATI FireGL v5700)

    I am going to attempt this on my W500 (running Linux Mint 10/Julia), my primary references aside from this thread are:

    http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/

    although hopefully it will be as simple as:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics

    Is there anything more up to date that I should be looking at - or a reference more specific to my hardware?

    Should I post my results here... or is there a better place where I should be detailing issues I may encounter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkbasic View Post
    Will ever be possible to switch on the fly without having to log out?
    It's doable, there's just a lot of work to be done. The xserver needs a lot of infrastructural changes to migrate content to between drivers when the switch takes place, and then the apps have to deal with that fact the GL support may have changed between drivers (e.g., one supports GL2, one supports GL3), etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allbread View Post
    I am going to attempt this on my W500 (running Linux Mint 10/Julia), my primary references aside from this thread are:

    http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/

    although hopefully it will be as simple as:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics

    Is there anything more up to date that I should be looking at - or a reference more specific to my hardware?

    Should I post my results here... or is there a better place where I should be detailing issues I may encounter?
    Okay so I've run through the procedure on: http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/ ...

    Is there an easy way to determine if my discrete card has been activated... checking the proprietary drivers via the "Additional Drivers" would seem to indicate that "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"... is that accurate?

    Do I need to activate the hardware drivers prior to running the switcheroo script?

    How do I determine if the script is actually working?

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    I believe the switcheroo code is written and tested with the assumption that you will be running open source drivers on both GPUs. Not saying it won't work with a proprietary driver but I don't know if anyone has ever tested that configuration...

    ... so suggest you get it working with open drivers first before you experiment with proprietary drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bridgman View Post
    I believe the switcheroo code is written and tested with the assumption that you will be running open source drivers on both GPUs. Not saying it won't work with a proprietary driver but I don't know if anyone has ever tested that configuration...

    ... so suggest you get it working with open drivers first before you experiment with proprietary drivers.
    How do I determine then that I have been switched over to the integrated or discrete (using the open source driver) GPU... is there a way to verify that the code is working?

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