Maybe that's because 2d runs on the 3d-engine on those newer chips?
Originally Posted by Melcar
With my x1900xt 2d seems very snappy, but I've only tested KDE-apps, not firefox or anything else.
I didn't notice any major performance problem with Firefox when I used KMS on my HD3450. I wasn't using it that long, but if it was as bad as people are saying I think I'd notice.
On my RS780 board, which is basically a HD3200 board, I don't have any slowdown and Firefox works without a glitch.
Either there is something wrong with R700 based-boards (like the 2D made by the 3D engine) or there is something wrong with one of the stack of X provided by your distro.
If I compare my desktop system (rv770) with my rather ancient notebook (r300),
both on xorg-server 1.7.5, KMS, KWin (4.4), Linux 2.6.33 with mesa, drm and ddx from git,
the notebook performs perfectly smooth while the desktop system feels not as snappy.
Sounds plausible that recent chips (r600+) with a unified architecture require more
optimization work for 2d acceleration than the "older" parts that feature fixed function 2d hardware
that is now implemented using shaders. So it's (at least) one more layer, right?
The RS780 is like the rest of the R600+ (HD2xxx and up) in that it doesn't have a 2D engine either. Based on the comments here (most 6xx/7xx seem to be slower but not RS780 IGP) my first guess at the bottleneck would be less acceleration of transfers between system and video memory on R600+, since IIRC some of the 2D accel hardware on 5xx and below is also used for upload/download acceleration. Just a guess though.
Originally Posted by rvdboom
Maybe there's a DE/WM component to the problem? I was just running Fluxbox when I tested KMS.
I've been using KMS on my r600 ( integrated on my laptop motherboard, but with discreet memory ) for 2 months or so now. 2D is actually really snappy. It's also far more stable. Can't complain really.
are people seeing slow r600/700 running on AGP systems?
also as someone else said make sure server 1.7 for KMS.
Everything has been running just fine here using r700 and KMS+DRI2.
The game performance is not spectacular, but OpenArena, Nexuiz and a bunch of others run just fine and are playable.
My HD4890 PCIe system is running fine on F12.
I have KMS, DRI2 and compiz all running fine with my HD 4890 and F12. Full-screen video playback seems OK too. And now I've upgraded my kernel to 2.6.33 (and unearthed the new firmware!) my video playback is looking tear-free, even when playing "the birds" HD file.
Originally Posted by Melcar
I think my xorg-x11-drv-ati is from git, but my libdrm and Mesa are definitely from F12's repositories still.
[Mind you, the HD4890 is in a new quad-core i7 PC - maybe that's why I'm not noticing any performance drop?]