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    Default Totem Gains New Features For GNOME 3.0

    Phoronix: Totem Gains New Features For GNOME 3.0

    The first development milestone for GNOME 3.0 is expected to be reached tomorrow with the release of the unstable GNOME 2.31.1 package set. While Zeitgeist, the GNOME Shell, and Mutter are among the most talked about changes for the GNOME 3.0 desktop, many mature packages are receiving new features and work too. GNOME's Movie Player, Totem, is one of these packages receiving some attention...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODIxMQ

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    Great news, how about getting rid of Totem's amateurish GUI (which many have the guts to call "simple")?
    There are enough apps in Gnome with an amateurish look and feel but Totem beats them all hands down (with the usual excuse of "simplicity").

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    Quote Originally Posted by cl333r View Post
    Great news, how about getting rid of Totem's amateurish GUI (which many have the guts to call "simple")?
    There are enough apps in Gnome with an amateurish look and feel but Totem beats them all hands down (with the usual excuse of "simplicity").
    Well, a simpe "rm /usr/share/totem/*.ui", and the amateurish GUI is gone.

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    Oh really, no kidding

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    Probably only devs are using it anyway ...

    Real users use either VLC Player or Mplayer (Smplayer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by val-gaav View Post
    Probably only devs are using it anyway ...

    Real users use either VLC Player or Mplayer (Smplayer)
    Totem provides me with everything I need. When I double click on a file it starts playing. I can pause, I can scrub through the video. The playlist allows me to queue up files. What more could I want?

    Well, there is one thing, but nothing fundamental. What I would like to see is a way to change the delay of the audio, so I can fix files that are out of sync. I'd write a python plugin, but the totem object doesn't expose the proper hooks. I'll report this as a feature request some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remco View Post
    Totem provides me with everything I need. When I double click on a file it starts playing. I can pause, I can scrub through the video. The playlist allows me to queue up files. What more could I want?
    That's somewhat a fundamental features of a player. If those are to be the selling point of totem and if it cannot do anything beside that then it is laughable ...

    Well, there is one thing, but nothing fundamental. What I would like to see is a way to change the delay of the audio, so I can fix files that are out of sync.
    You just named one of the things yourself (BTW this is a must and both VLC and Smplayer have this) I could name several other key features like ASS/SSA support, but I don't want to waste my time and check what current Totem has and what it has not. I know what it didn't have in a brief moment I've tried it, some time ago. I highly doubt the current totem got any better. Considering the GNOME mentality it really is enough for a player to just play files pause and maybe have a fullscreen mode ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by val-gaav View Post
    You just named one of the things yourself (BTW this is a must and both VLC and Smplayer have this)
    The reason it's not a must is because you can (and should) fix the files permanently. I just want to write a plugin that does that while playing. It's hardly a fundamental feature.

    I could name several other key features like ASS/SSA support but I don't want to waste my time and check what current Totem has and what it has not.
    I don't know whether it supports that particular type of subtitle, but if it doesn't it should. But that's just making the video playback feature-complete. It would basically be missing support for a codec.
    I know what it didn't have in a brief moment I've tried it, some time ago. I highly doubt the current totem got any better. Considering the GNOME mentality it really is enough for a player to just play files pause and maybe have a fullscreen mode ...
    Play/pause, scrub, fullscreen, playlist is all I ask of the interface. I don't want to be able to modify the video in all sorts of ways, making it blurry, wobbly, mirrored, black and white, add noise, split it up, resize, crop, 10 different deinterlacers... it's the featuritis that make Mplayer and VLC look completely cluttered. They have 1000s of features, but basic fullscreen functionality is unreliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remco View Post
    Well, there is one thing, but nothing fundamental. What I would like to see is a way to change the delay of the audio, so I can fix files that are out of sync.
    [rant mode (not related to your post!)]
    The reason this hasn't been implemented because it's very very bad. Having the audio out of sync is because the "person" who made the video doesn't know how to encode properly.

    We already have enough "quirks" in our video players for virtually any format just because some random file wasn't encoded properly and needs it. The sad thing is, the files then start spreading because some random "awezzome video encoderzzzz FREE FREE FREE" application thinks it can encode video without the user knowing how to do it. It's worse than web standards.

    I mean seriously, people should just learn how to encode video files properly. A video player shouldn't have to 'fix' their mess.
    [/rant mode]

    On a side note, I agree with you that Totem is all I need for viewing a view videos. I don't download illegal videos, so the audio being out of sync is very rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beniwtv View Post
    [rant mode (not related to your post!)]
    (...)

    I mean seriously, people should just learn how to encode video files properly. A video player shouldn't have to 'fix' their mess.
    [/rant mode]

    On a side note, I agree with you that Totem is all I need for viewing a view videos. I don't download illegal videos, so the audio being out of sync is very rare.
    The person viewing is rarely the person that encoded the file, so I don't understand what your point was about people needing to learn how to encode properly (if there ever was one). Unless you're saying Totem is a video encoder, which I doubt.

    As for viewing legal videos:
    1. there's always good movies released on DVD and Bluray by Big Content where the audio stream isn't perfectly synced with the video stream - a good video player can fix that;
    2. different monitors have different output lag, up to 1/5th of a second. One second is a really long time actually, you can fit a decent sentence into one or two seconds, so 1/5th is quite noticeable if you look at the person speaking. Worse for short duration sounds when you see the act on screen (door closing, steps...);
    3. there's plenty of small content producers out there that don't provide as technically good content as big media. It doesn't make their work less worth watching;
    4. "legal" isn't just DVD+Bluray, there's also TV and (legal) streaming, both sometimes have their flaws.

    Saying one shouldn't watch contents where the audio is slightly out of sync isn't just silly, it's like a new form of censure. In the name of what, a blindly ignorant developer?

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