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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickle View Post
    At This Rate, Don't Be Surprised If You See Another Post On Phoronix About Steam Soon
    I like to be kept update with this stuff.


    Traditional powerful games has always been the most obstacle to linux's spreading..

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    Quote Originally Posted by elect View Post
    I like to be kept update with this stuff.


    Traditional powerful games has always been the most obstacle to linux's spreading..
    The vast vast vast ABSURDLY vast majority of people who use a conventional computer, regardless of what OS it has, don't use it for playing 3D games.

    Most people who play 3D games use a console.

    The rest are a minority.

    And everybody else uses their computer for NORMAL activities -- business applications, web browser, email, etc.

    To believe that GAMES are the MAJOR stumbling block to the platform spreading is very misguided.

    If you want linux to catch/spread, you need an APPLICATION that ONLY works on linux, that people *MUST HAVE*.

    Look up the history of the SPREADSHEET and see how IT impacted adoption of computers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonlord View Post
    Incorrect. Linux needs "real" solutions and software not badly ported stuff which is held together by tons of duct tape and crumbles as soon as blow upon it.
    you are wrong! wine is an nativ linux app!

    if a companie like AMD support wine and linux! this is the biggest help ever!

    because AMD isn't a gaming software companie!


    same on blizzard.. if they support wine in an high level...

    and the game runs well this IS the REAL help for linux on the desktop!

    because the user don't care! wine or not wine!

    OpenGL°!! isn't linux nativ! if you wana make a linux nativ game code raytracing in c++ compilet on the GCC nativ on the linux kernel!

    OpenGL! isn't linux!
    directX isn't linux!
    there is no diverend if you run an openGL app or an dx app in wine.
    wine makes an openGL app from the dx11 app there is no diverend!
    wine is the nativ openGL! app!

    if you wana be nativ linux you need to kill OpenGL! and go for C++ software based rendering raytracing and pure GCC cpu code!


    but? is this realistic ? no!


    if an companie supports linux fine if the companie supports an real nativ linux app like wine fine!

    Fine!

    fine! and you are wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidhacker View Post
    And everybody else uses their computer for NORMAL activities -- business applications, web browser, email, etc.

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    If you want linux to catch/spread, you need an APPLICATION that ONLY works on linux, that people *MUST HAVE*.
    That would help certainly, but Linux wouldn't need exclusive programs to attract NORMAL users, if they actually had it offered to them when they purchased their computers the way normal users do so, and could save money by not choosing Windows.

    With Microsoft buttoning up the distributors from showing off Linux by waving contracts discounting Windows licenses in front of them if they don't, and with no anti-monopoly law enforcement stepping in to prevent it, Linux has a very steep uphill climb as far as adoption, much more so than JUST if it had the other problems it does.

    The best thing Linux users can do to turn this tide is by building computers for friends and telling them to never donate money to Microsoft by purchasing* Windows**.

    * You might have donated them money for it, but Microsoft still owns your soul along with your data by using it.

    ** Windows with bars, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    you are wrong! wine is an nativ linux app!
    Yes, it is. Software running on top of it is a different matter. I'd say using libwine might count as native, running on top of wine directly does not.

    if a companie like AMD support wine and linux! this is the biggest help ever!

    because AMD isn't a gaming software companie!


    same on blizzard.. if they support wine in an high level...

    and the game runs well this IS the REAL help for linux on the desktop!

    because the user don't care! wine or not wine!
    If they are truly making an effort to support wine by compiling their programs with libwine, then I agree. That's fine, maybe not ideal, but it works ok. If they just make the bare minimum effort to get it working on top of wine, it's unsupported by them, and may break in the next release, then that's not fine.

    OpenGL°!! isn't linux nativ! if you wana make a linux nativ game code raytracing in c++ compilet on the GCC nativ on the linux kernel!
    Whatever are you talking about? Mesa isn't linux native? Of course it is. So are the binary drivers implementations.

    OpenGL! isn't linux!
    directX isn't linux!
    Well, no. I don't think anyone said they were. They're graphics APIs, not an operating system.

    there is no diverend if you run an openGL app or an dx app in wine.
    wine makes an openGL app from the dx11 app there is no diverend!
    wine is the nativ openGL! app!
    Well, the difference is that in one wine has to automatically translate the code which is a complicated and sometimes buggy process. But when it works, yeah, it's fine.

    if you wana be nativ linux you need to kill OpenGL! and go for C++ software based rendering raytracing and pure GCC cpu code!
    Uh, what? Mesa, dude. Or the linux binary drivers. Both are just as "native" as some software renderer running on the cpu. They just send the code onto the gpu instead.

    but? is this realistic ? no!
    No, it isn't. It's also completely besides the point and unnecessary.

    if an companie supports linux fine if the companie supports an real nativ linux app like wine fine!
    True support, ok. But i'm guessing the majority of the time wine is used that isn't the case.

    Fine!

    fine! and you are wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidhacker View Post
    The vast vast vast ABSURDLY vast majority of people who use a conventional computer, regardless of what OS it has, don't use it for playing 3D games.

    Most people who play 3D games use a console.

    The rest are a minority.

    And everybody else uses their computer for NORMAL activities -- business applications, web browser, email, etc.

    To believe that GAMES are the MAJOR stumbling block to the platform spreading is very misguided.

    If you want linux to catch/spread, you need an APPLICATION that ONLY works on linux, that people *MUST HAVE*.

    Look up the history of the SPREADSHEET and see how IT impacted adoption of computers.
    Traditional powerful games has always been one of the obstacle to linux's spreading on desktops..

    Fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by elect View Post
    I like to be kept update with this stuff.


    Traditional powerful games has always been the most obstacle to linux's spreading..
    It was meant to be a joke, playing off the original name of the post. Which it seems no one picked up on.

    Personally I dont mind if a linux steam client exists, although I think the actual supported content will be minimal. I think most things that will be available right away will be older games that use dosbox (which is already cross-plaform)

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    How do we know these screenshots aren't just someone running steam in wine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegar View Post
    How do we know these screenshots aren't just someone running steam in wine?
    Because you can confirm that yourself by downloading clien's from valve and running patches. And i think those differ's a bit with steam windows client.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegar View Post
    How do we know these screenshots aren't just someone running steam in wine?
    Just try it yourself. I did, and it works indeed natively on linux.

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