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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    #5 I like to edit photos with Photoshop... I haven't tested that with Wine.
    Gimp should do that for you just fine, and natively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartalf View Post
    Heh... Beat me to it, you did.

    Folks, he's telling you the straight skinny there.

    WINE, the library, is true to it's eponymous acronym.

    WINE, the environment is NOT true to it's name. It is a framework to fake a Windows application out, thinking it's running against Windows. By definition, a virtual environment, and therefore emulation at several differing levels. Virtual machines like with VMWare or VirtualBox are high-performing emulations- but still emulations all the same. You're not native there, though you're close. The same goes for WINE. You're close in many ways, but you're still not native (Some things run faster under it, and others, nowhere near as fast, if at all...)- and you're at the whims of the vendor of your title as they don't officially support WINE (Except for a few notable exceptions like Eve Online...they just don't...not even Blizzard.) and they can apply a fix to some perceived problem and break your usage of the title under WINE- and then not shed a single tear for you. (Witness what happened with WoW and some of their "bot" prevention measures- if it wasn't for the massive uproar that ensued, they'd have written you off, guys...).

    In the end, you're sending a message. You're not interested in Linux gaming- and you're emulating things while doing it.

    I can't believe that the wine myths page doesn't state that. They should if anything post what the differences are based on graphical representation.


    Game -> OS -> Drivers -> Hardware

    Game -> Wine -> Linux -> Drivers -> Hardware

    Game -> VM ( Fake OS -> Fake hardware -> fake drivers) -> OS -> Drivers -> Hardware

    Since the wine Myths page doesn't tell us exactly what is and isn't emulated, we are left in the dark as to what is actually going on. The detail of what it does is limited and rightly so as not many people really want to know exactly what the software does. It's probably written in laymen terms for the average user.

    http://wiki.winehq.org/Debunking_Wine_Myths

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine

    Just to use wiki as an example of VM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    Gaming is just one aspect of owning a PC. You may not play games, but a lot of people do. Mac OS X is a secure, malware/spyware/virus free OS, but you don't see people going crazy to install it. Hackintosh or not, Mac lacks games as well, and you don't see people rushing out to replace Windows.
    Actually I do see it. A few years ago (10 or so) only some designers used macs, and now more and more "mainstream" people are buying them. It has to mean something. I have no idea what the market for games is like on the PC front, but judging by the circa 60% market share of integrated graphics I'd say that leaves about 30% for people that buy hardware for games. People who buy hardware for gaming probably do a lot of gaming, and thus that is a very important part of thei PC usage. I'm guessing that someone with integrated graphics probably doesn't take gaming very seriously, so they are more likely to not being restrained to an OS because of gaming alone. Little by little, a part fo this group of people will begin to find other alternatives due to all the negative things that come with windows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    I don't... So you're saying that 1% isn't accurate, but you don't mind not having more Windows users switching, cause they'll ruin your Linux.

    I don't get it.
    I'm not saying that it would be great to have all the world population on linux, just that that 1% figure that keeps being spread over the years isn't accurate. BTW, I also didn't like the anti-virus running and still having virus and spyware make its way into my PC, so that was the main reason I switched. Since I didn't have time to game anyway it didn't make much of a difference to me. Over the years I found a lot of other advantages to using linux and so it became permanent (i.e. wiped windows of the hard drive).
    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    What are they doing?
    Beats me! They keep saying that bugs have been fixed and improvements have been made but for me it's always the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devius View Post
    Actually I do see it. A few years ago (10 or so) only some designers used macs, and now more and more "mainstream" people are buying them. It has to mean something.
    Macs are more popular now, but it's mainly due to the fact that Macs are like a social status. Like the Nike shoes of today.

    It's certainly much easier to own a Mac today. Applications like FireFox, VLC, and OpenOffice are popular tools that you'll find on both Mac and Windows. So it makes it easier for users to make the transition to other OS's, even Linux.

    Which is why Wine is so important, because it makes the transition to Linux easier.
    I have no idea what the market for games is like on the PC front, but judging by the circa 60% market share of integrated graphics I'd say that leaves about 30% for people that buy hardware for games. People who buy hardware for gaming probably do a lot of gaming, and thus that is a very important part of thei PC usage. I'm guessing that someone with integrated graphics probably doesn't take gaming very seriously, so they are more likely to not being restrained to an OS because of gaming alone. Little by little, a part fo this group of people will begin to find other alternatives due to all the negative things that come with windows.
    You'd be surprised. A lot of game developers don't make games exclusively for PC, and focus mainly on Xbox 360 and PS3. Since these consoles are the lowest common denominator, PC gaming doesn't need much hardware to play games. So long as the graphics chip is from AMD or Nvidia, you'll find that games will run just fine. Even Intel is decent enough to play today's games.

    Microsoft knew that gaming as a big part of Windows, which is why they created Direct X, years ago. Many gamers had hoped that Steam would make its way over to Linux, cause a lot of people would have made the switch. It would have brought serious gaming on Linux.

    This is pretty much how the gaming community sees this.

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