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Thread: With Ubuntu 10.10 It May Be Easier To Run Wayland

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    AFAIK the idea with Wayland is that new apps would bypass X and render directly to Wayland surfaces using OpenGL etc., while existing apps would go through Xlib and an X server running on top of Wayland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdopolis View Post
    Sadly, I think the X11 protocol is way too underrated... its versatile, expandable, and capable. The X11 protocol does not need replacement
    X11 has all kinds of flaws, not to mention how bloated it is. It absolutely MUST get a replacement.

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    Has integrating dxpc to an X extension been tried?

    Improve bw usage, possibly improve speed & latency as well.

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    Ah, jeez not again!

    No offence but if people would have read the comments of previous posts they could have read that multiple better informed/capable people then Michael told X is good and Wayland does not solve anything.

    Here is some brain-gymnastics for the people who do think Wayland is the bomb: how come all of those smart and talented programmers working on X aren't abandoning it and start working on the Wayland project?

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    That's surprising. It's not in Fedora - it's obviously not ready.

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    does anyone know if there is work being done on porting gtk+ Qt and the rest toolkits to Wayland??


    i remember reading scarce news about it but nothing on it lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaestroMaus View Post
    Here is some brain-gymnastics for the people who do think Wayland is the bomb: how come all of those smart and talented programmers working on X aren't abandoning it and start working on the Wayland project?
    Because X.org is the refference implementation.
    Because Wayland is premature.
    Because Wayland is not compatible with any widget toolkit.
    Because Wayland is not a client <-> server replacement.
    Because Wayland is new.
    Because X.org is working right now.

    But can Wayland remain compatible with Xlib for proprietary games?
    But can Wayland become compatible with X.org client without running X.org?

    If the two But's (haha... ha... ... .. ha...) are true and Qt would support Wayland... why not? If it is smaller, cleaner and faster why the hell not? If otherwise I can see the problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaestroMaus View Post
    Ah, jeez not again!

    No offence but if people would have read the comments of previous posts they could have read that multiple better informed/capable people then Michael told X is good and Wayland does not solve anything.

    Here is some brain-gymnastics for the people who do think Wayland is the bomb: how come all of those smart and talented programmers working on X aren't abandoning it and start working on the Wayland project?
    I think the idea of wayland is to simplify a lot!! using kms,opengl and dri2 functions!!

    xorg is old, it has a large number of lines of outdated code, so it will be awesome to get an updated windows server making use of modern kms, dri2, opengl... functions. Nothing is going to work much better in wayland (if it gets implemented), it will be simply a major clean up. But yes, wayland is in a very premature stage.

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    There has some talk about making Wayland dependent upon OpenWF rather than the Linux kernel mode-setting interface directly, but that hasn't materialized.
    Is Wayland a Linux specific X11 replacement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tessio View Post
    Is Wayland a Linux specific X11 replacement?
    It is not a full X11 implementation, only a server. KMS should also arive for *BSD some time.

    If it is also compatible with clients it could be a replacement...

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