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    Default Why Linux Appears Fragmented:

    http://images.cheezburger.com/comple...7850293860.png

    ..and then game publishers use 'fragmentation' as an excuse to give us .run, .bin, .tar.gz, .sh, .tar.bz2 and .py files instead of actual proper .deb's, which irritates me to no end.

    I want this question answered with hard statistical facts, and the only way to do it is to file bugs on every browser package in every linux based desktop that doesn't identify itself and its host correctly and with sufficient detail. I'm not going to set about doing that without help. Who's with me?

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    Initial stats derived from

    http://statowl.com/operating_system_...fltr_cn=&limit[]=linux

    and supported in a roundabout way by

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubunt...bian,+mandrake

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    first link broken, http://bit.ly/6T2dcY

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    And seeing as Mandriva/Mandrake recently went under, the remaining 'competitors' consist of platforms that:

    are ubuntu derivatives (Mint)
    specifically discourage use of proprietary software (Fedora)
    are designed for people who can't leave their OS well enough alone (slackware, gentoo)
    are intended for use on servers (RHEL/SLED/CentOS)
    or are intended primarily or secondarily to turn users into free testing for a commercially sold and supported platform (opensuse)

    I would submit that none of them constitute targets that are both binarily distinct from ubuntu (require separate packaging) AND are worthwhile targets for commercial games and game platforms.

    Game platform requirements and their reasonableness for ObscuDist users:

    Windows: a couple hundred $ or piracy, and a wipe of your MBR
    Mac: a thousand $ or hackintoshing
    Ubuntu: 30 minutes download, 30 minutes install, 5 GB HDD space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethana2 View Post
    Windows: a couple hundred $ or piracy, and a wipe of your MBR
    This is misleading. End-users don't buy Windows separately but with a computer where it hardly costs anything. It kinda goes to the same category as OSX here, really. Buy a new computer, get Windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanonyme View Post
    This is misleading. End-users don't buy Windows separately but with a computer where it hardly costs anything. It kinda goes to the same category as OSX here, really. Buy a new computer, get Windows.
    I said for people who use obscure distros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethana2 View Post
    ..and then game publishers use 'fragmentation' as an excuse to give us .run, .bin, .tar.gz, .sh, .tar.bz2 and .py files instead of actual proper .deb's, which irritates me to no end.
    But but... what about us people who want .rpm's instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanonyme View Post
    But but... what about us people who want .rpm's instead?
    You should switch to Ubuntu, use Alien to convert the .deb files provided by vendors, or, like I've been doing with Windows software, boycott.

    I think they'd lose less money from your boycotting them than they would testing on Suse, because half an hour later you'd be like 'screw it, I'll dual boot'.

    And if you use Fedora, you're unlikely to purchase proprietary software anyways. Either way, you're 1/20 of the linux deskop market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethana2 View Post
    You should switch to Ubuntu, use Alien to convert the .deb files provided by vendors, or, like I've been doing with Windows software, boycott.

    I think they'd lose less money from your boycotting them than they would testing on Suse, because half an hour later you'd be like 'screw it, I'll dual boot'.

    And if you use Fedora, you're unlikely to purchase proprietary software anyways. Either way, you're 1/20 of the linux deskop market.

    You're being obnoxious. Let me just quote what Mark Shuttleworth had to say about this.

    it grates a little when people say "ubuntu is linux", because of course the linux ecosystem is much bigger than just ubuntu and everybody should try more of 'em: fedora, gentoo, arch, go wild there's something for everyone
    He's a smart man. The last thing Ubuntu could use is more friction between Ubuntu and the rest of the Linux community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monraaf View Post
    He's a smart man. The last thing Ubuntu could use is more friction between Ubuntu and the rest of the Linux community.
    Heh... There's wisdom there in his remark- and you caught it as did I.

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