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    Default 5870 future prospects

    I am considering getting an Radeon 5870 what is the support for this card
    like in Linux these days. What is the chances for an open source sometime
    down the track.
    I normally purchase a video card on the prospects of future driver support.
    One of the main problems in getting a video card for linux is that by the
    time the card has good driver support you can no longer obtain the card. An
    example of this is the support for the 4870 is just starting to be very good
    and it is no longer availible. So what I do is have a look around for a card
    that has good FUTURE prospects purchase it and put it in the draw till such
    time as decent support can be had.
    The 5870 appears to be a nice card but how is it currently and what is its
    prospects. Unfortunately it is also expensive like around 650 dollars
    Australian, which gives one cause to pause. Note: I do have a requirement
    for a good 3D card. I have found FGLRX OK so far on a 4870 so FGLRX support
    is OK.
    Can Bridgman shed any light here.

    Blacksmith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksmith View Post
    I am considering getting an Radeon 5870 what is the support for this card
    like in Linux these days. What is the chances for an open source sometime
    down the track.
    I normally purchase a video card on the prospects of future driver support.
    One of the main problems in getting a video card for linux is that by the
    time the card has good driver support you can no longer obtain the card. An
    example of this is the support for the 4870 is just starting to be very good
    and it is no longer availible. So what I do is have a look around for a card
    that has good FUTURE prospects purchase it and put it in the draw till such
    time as decent support can be had.
    The 5870 appears to be a nice card but how is it currently and what is its
    prospects. Unfortunately it is also expensive like around 650 dollars
    Australian, which gives one cause to pause. Note: I do have a requirement
    for a good 3D card. I have found FGLRX OK so far on a 4870 so FGLRX support
    is OK.
    Can Bridgman shed any light here.

    Blacksmith
    lets talk about the future.

    the 5870 is 'here and now'.

    do you wana talk about 6000 ?

    if you don't care about more 'speed per watt' or 'tessellation speed' or 'openCL speed' buy a hd5870 but get the 2GB vram version for 'openCL'

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    I don't want to keep on bearing bad news. I am being realistic here. I'm an HD5850 owner. I'm suffering from tearing on the desktop and with a dual-head setup. Dragging windows around causes tearing (very annoying). My secondary screen (might be primary depending on setup) has a single horizontal line tear across the screen (position changes everytime the machine restarts). I'm not the only one with these tearing issues. The issues don't exist with the open source drivers. Unfortunately, the open source drivers don't support evergreen cards.

    Even though I say this, there seems to be some happy people out there, maybe they don't really care about tearing that much or don't notice it, or think it's normal.

    $650 is a lot of money. If you're doing any Windows gaming, then get an ATI card. If you're going to be using linux, then the latest and greatest cards will have issues.

    From my experience (last catalyst driver release), ATI is trying to do their best to fix the 2D issues. But, as of now, tearing is still here. It might take months or even years before this is fixed, I can't tell you, because I don't know.

    A member here mentioned that tearing has been a problem for three years. Now that's a lot of time to get something fixed.

    To be frank, if I had a chance to get another card, I'd get an nVidia because my main desktop is Linux and not Windows and I don't do any gaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksmith View Post
    I am considering getting an Radeon 5870 what is the support for this card
    like in Linux these days. What is the chances for an open source sometime
    down the track.
    I normally purchase a video card on the prospects of future driver support.
    One of the main problems in getting a video card for linux is that by the
    time the card has good driver support you can no longer obtain the card. An
    example of this is the support for the 4870 is just starting to be very good
    and it is no longer availible. So what I do is have a look around for a card
    that has good FUTURE prospects purchase it and put it in the draw till such
    time as decent support can be had.
    The 5870 appears to be a nice card but how is it currently and what is its
    prospects. Unfortunately it is also expensive like around 650 dollars
    Australian, which gives one cause to pause. Note: I do have a requirement
    for a good 3D card. I have found FGLRX OK so far on a 4870 so FGLRX support
    is OK.
    Can Bridgman shed any light here.

    Blacksmith
    It all depends on what you're gonna do with it.
    If you want a rock solid graphical linux experience and not have the issues of getting the driver to work then ATI is, at the moment, not the thing you want. You should go with nvidia then.

    If you don't mind going through the pain once every few months to get the driver to work when your distro updates xorg-server and don't mind the many opengl 4 bugs in ati cards and don't mind the lack of video acceleration for your favorite movies and don't mind the possibility of tearing issues (i personally have found a way to get rid of tearing with my 5770 and it works just perfect for me)... Then ATI is going to be the one you need.

    As for the future. I bought an ATI card this time (5770) because i saw so much improvements with ATI vs linux. Something you don't see with nvidia. ATI seems to play nice with Linux (although a bit slow) and that is why i took the risk of buying an 5770 ATI card full aware of all the risks... Right now it works just fine. I also see the progress moving forward with ati by the week in regards to linux so you should be fine with that 5870 sometime ^_^

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    I don't own one, but looks like 2.6.35 has KMS support and possibly some accel for them.

    http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kerne...c88e9b14edfb7a

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    Quote Originally Posted by curaga View Post
    I don't own one, but looks like 2.6.35 has KMS support and possibly some accel for them.

    http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kerne...c88e9b14edfb7a
    nah, it explicitly disables accel for evergreen...
    And this commit explains a bit more: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/dri...603dd23c9060ad

    Simple version: disable it since it's not implemented...

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    Well, unaccelerated KMS it is then. Thanks for pointing it out.

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    Thanks for the replys it seems work is in progress. As stated I am not looking at now but future support. I will start saving some pennies.......

    Blacksmith

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    Quote Originally Posted by markg85 View Post
    As for the future. I bought an ATI card this time (5770) because i saw so much improvements with ATI vs linux. Something you don't see with nvidia. ATI seems to play nice with Linux (although a bit slow) and that is why i took the risk of buying an 5770 ATI card full aware of all the risks... Right now it works just fine. I also see the progress moving forward with ati by the week in regards to linux so you should be fine with that 5870 sometime ^_^
    And 'emergence' found:

    A member here mentioned that tearing has been a problem for three years. Now that's a lot of time to get something fixed.
    The only users that seem to be satisfied with ATI cards are either:
    A) users who mostly use the FOSS drivers
    B) users who value the FOSS drivers and don't need full features of the binary drivers

    Three years is a LONG TIME for to be driver issues. That's crazy.

    ATI/AMD have an ultra low priority on Linux support. Just look on how busy the posts are for ATI and even open source section compared to any of the Nvidia sections.

    There's a lot of knowledgeable people here who have problems with the ATI cards. There's bugs and issues including tearing, artifacts and other problems that effect enjoyment and use of the card. Besides that, there's features that are a given in Windows but still not supported by ATI even after the card has been released a year ago.

    I'd have already gone for an ATI card except for these complaints/concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panix View Post
    And 'emergence' found:



    The only users that seem to be satisfied with ATI cards are either:
    A) users who mostly use the FOSS drivers
    B) users who value the FOSS drivers and don't need full features of the binary drivers

    Three years is a LONG TIME for to be driver issues. That's crazy.

    ATI/AMD have an ultra low priority on Linux support. Just look on how busy the posts are for ATI and even open source section compared to any of the Nvidia sections.

    There's a lot of knowledgeable people here who have problems with the ATI cards. There's bugs and issues including tearing, artifacts and other problems that effect enjoyment and use of the card. Besides that, there's features that are a given in Windows but still not supported by ATI even after the card has been released a year ago.

    I'd have already gone for an ATI card except for these complaints/concerns.
    "Three years is a LONG TIME for to be driver issues. That's crazy."

    Three years ago you can use openGL output and vsinc so on no tearing in viedeos.
    (R600+R700)2 years ago the radeon driver can handle tearfree Xv viedeo... again no Tearing in viedeos.

    the tearing problem in 10.6 is a new vsinc bug.

    cat-10-7 will fix all of my personal bugs.

    "ATI/AMD have an ultra low priority on Linux support."

    the true is amd spend more money on the linux side than they get money on the linux-graphic side...

    on windows side they earn much more money than they spend on the driver.

    in my point of view linux do have a higher priority than windows.

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