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    Default The OpenSolaris-based Illumos Project Announced

    Phoronix: The OpenSolaris-based Illumos Project Announced

    Last week we reported on the Illumos project that may be a fork of OpenSolaris coming out of the OpenSolaris community being shafted by Oracle. Not many details were known at that time, but now the Nexenta-sponsored Illumos project has formally introduced itself...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODQ3MQ

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    Today is a good day. Everyone wins from this. Regardless of future development with the official OpenSolaris and Oracle this will be a good thing and contribute to the community either way.

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    Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cl333r View Post
    Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.
    Why would people care about linux or *BSD? They only matter on servers and phones, why should they be a big deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by some-guy View Post
    Why would people care about linux or *BSD? They only matter on servers and phones, why should they be a big deal?
    Because Linux matters on servers, phones and in HPC. It also matters more on desktops then Solaris and *Bsd. Btw. woah, OpenSolaris wasn't fully open source They wanted to cheat us or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cl333r View Post
    Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.
    Because Solaris is here and has been for quite a while unlike the things you refer to?

    Why replace it rather than continuing to build on it?

    They will now continue developing the code base with or without Oracle, it's not like ZFS, DTrace and other technologies are standing still.

    I suppose your argument is that the Solaris community and the BSDs should just shut down and everyone should use and contribute to one OS. Good thing others think differently.

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    1. This is another FOSS project with an obscure (absurd) name.
    2. Have they finally upgraded to GCC 4 yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cl333r View Post
    Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.
    I agree that Unix market share is diminishing, but I think you are wrong on many parts.

    According to a survey on behalf of HP, Solaris has the brightest future:
    http://www.itpro.co.uk/623683/unix-s...PRO+-+Today%29

    "According to the Coleman Parkes findings, the current operating system of choice for mission-critical systems is Solaris... HP-UX was in second place, followed by Windows."

    It means that Solaris still has lots of customers and it is most used by all Unixes. Solaris has been shipped 13 million times, and OpenSolaris also several million times. All in all, Solaris/OpenSolaris has been shipped in almost 20 million licenses.

    Solaris is the reference platform OS for Oracle database - this was outspoken long before Oracle bought Sun.

    Regarding BTRFS and FTrace or Systemtap - they are just copies. Solaris shows the way and ZFS and DTrace are provenly good and delivers today. Linux may have grand plans for the Solaris copies, but I doubt Linux devs will succeed. For instance, BTRFS will always be lagging behind ZFS. It takes at least 5 years, before version 1.0 of filesystem is let into the server halls. When BTRFS is v1.0 it will take another 5 years of debugging and development before it is let into the server halls. Meanwhile, ZFS will continue development and new functionality. BTRFS will always lag behind.

    And, does BTRFS provide data safety like ZFS does? I doubt that. I think that if Oracle where serious about BTRFS, then Oracle would dedicate a full team, not like now: one full time paid developer. I think Oracle will bet on the original: ZFS and let BTRFS handle it self. ZFS is better than BTRFS, why develop two identical products, and one product is a copy of the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebabbert View Post
    I agree that Unix market share is diminishing, but I think you are wrong on many parts.

    According to a survey on behalf of HP, Solaris has the brightest future:
    http://www.itpro.co.uk/623683/unix-s...PRO+-+Today%29

    "According to the Coleman Parkes findings, the current operating system of choice for mission-critical systems is Solaris... HP-UX was in second place, followed by Windows."

    It means that Solaris still has lots of customers and it is most used by all Unixes. Solaris has been shipped 13 million times, and OpenSolaris also several million times. All in all, Solaris/OpenSolaris has been shipped in almost 20 million licenses.
    It means Coleman Parkes thinks so. It doesn't mean Solaris still has lots of customers and it also doesn't mean it has the brightest future. I'm not sure if BSD is Unix or Unix like system, but I guess it's more used then Solaris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebabbert View Post
    Regarding BTRFS and FTrace or Systemtap - they are just copies. Solaris shows the way and ZFS and DTrace are provenly good and delivers today. Linux may have grand plans for the Solaris copies, but I doubt Linux devs will succeed. For instance, BTRFS will always be lagging behind ZFS. It takes at least 5 years, before version 1.0 of filesystem is let into the server halls. When BTRFS is v1.0 it will take another 5 years of debugging and development before it is let into the server halls. Meanwhile, ZFS will continue development and new functionality. BTRFS will always lag behind.

    And, does BTRFS provide data safety like ZFS does? I doubt that. I think that if Oracle where serious about BTRFS, then Oracle would dedicate a full team, not like now: one full time paid developer. I think Oracle will bet on the original: ZFS and let BTRFS handle it self. ZFS is better than BTRFS, why develop two identical products, and one product is a copy of the other?
    Are there papers which backup this? Otherwise it's a pure FUD.

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